Chris Richards at Crystal Palace

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  1. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    There is a massive amount more money in football than there used to be, which has made the rich richer in talent, and harder for even the best clubs in smaller leagues with less global TV revenue to retain talent. Same goes for the fifth-tenth largest-budget club even in the leagues with the best economics.

    Citation: Every transfer fee for several years now.
     
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  2. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    Todibo is on loan at Schalke, and has a huge release clause, which I doubt Schalke will pay due to their financial troubles.

    A loan or transfer makes sense, plus, I believe they play 3 at the back from time to time so that would obviously open up more opportunity for Chris.
     
  3. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Do you guys believe Chris has all the tools for a BM CB if he improves?

    Does he have the recovery speed, quick thinking, tackle timing, Mckennie heading, and ability to distribute safely out of the back?

    I think I read he gets a bit aggressive sometimes up the pitch but that can be fixed. Is there anything wrong with his game that likely can’t be fixed?
     
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  4. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who knows because his cameo's at a high level have been few. He is athletic enough IMO. Tall. Moves with and without the ball well. But is he smart? Does he see the field well and help when needed? BM level is pretty high. He's USA level IMO, for sure.
     
  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Supposedely his ability to see pass lines is very good. At least that what BM people were emphasizing at some point. Periodical loss of concentration is his biggest problem, and if someone thinks that it gets fixed with age, look at Yedlin, no progress whatsoever. It took Wes, who is one of our best players, a long time to improve. And CB is the last place where one can afford it (assuming that such type of keepers never reach professional level period).
     
  6. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Focus. It's built in to the great ones. Richards maybe still hasn't learned it. CB's tend to take a longer time to develop too. Teamwork on the backline is a big thing. Wrt to Yedlin, I thought he made a few nice steps up under Rafa but maybe that was fool's gold based on a few spectacular plays.
     
  7. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Yes, he improved overall, but still will watch a cross having no clue about a winger behind his back.
     
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  8. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not anytime soon if I am being honest and that is not really a knock on Richards at all, that is the nature of center backs. Very few center backs are ready when they are this young and even those that are obviously world class struggle early on, like De Ligt.

    The closer you get to your goal and the further you are from the opponents, the more steady and mistake free you need to be, there is no substitute for experience and maturity in that regard. A super young attacker can mess up 20 times in a game and still be hero because of one moment of brilliance. A center back cannot make any mistakes.

    He needs a loan or two and he has to absolutely crush it there if he is ever going to actually be part of the Bayern squad.
     
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  9. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's starting right now for Bayern 2, which means he in all likelihood won't be over the weekend for Bayern 1. At realistic most he'd be available off the bench for some more token minutes, not event a token lineup selection.
     
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  10. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
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    Bayern II is in BL III, so the management of BM obviously think he is on a good path at the moment. They don't show a 19 YO first team time unless he has a bright future.
     
  11. Cubanlix63

    Cubanlix63 Member+

    AFC Ajax
    Feb 19, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Tuned in between PL games and Bayern II just conceded.
     
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  12. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    does this reinforce idea bayern first team appearance was more acknowledgement of a job well done than any kind of indicator of him being in their first team plans going forward?
     
  13. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goal was technically on Richards. Really bad turnover in midfield resulted in a lofted ball downfield that found the striker streaking towards goal. Richards couldn't catch up in time and the goal was somewhat easily put away.

    Tied 1-1 at half now.
     
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  14. Deeneaus

    Deeneaus Member+

    Aug 29, 2007
    America/Deutschland
    Club:
    Arminia Bielefeld
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Finished 2-1. Richards was fine. He is able to shut down much of anything that comes his way pretty easily, but had a few more instances of lapse in concentration which resulted in a couple of dangerous chances.

    He also blatantly tripped an 1860 player because he knocked his GK a bit hard. There wasn't a complaint from anyone though because the player deserved it. :p

    Who knows what that appearance was for, but I can tell you he isn't yet at the first team standard. Which ain't an indictment, just indicative of the quality ahead of him. I would hate to see him at this level next year, however, because it's just not high enough.
     
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  15. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, how many 20 year old CDs in the world could actually play for the Bayern 1st team? CR not being ready shouldn't come as any kind of shock and shouldn't register any disappointment. And I agree with you that he needs to play against a higher level of competition next season. BDL2 would be a natural progression.
     
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  16. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    And this is a fine progression! I think it's been a good level for him to be at for this year. It would be nice to have a Bundesliga team try to arrange a loan next year, but playing on loan in Bundesliga 2 really would not be the end of the world for a 20 year old defender.
     
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  17. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Nope. It was having a coach whose level is top 6 in a Top 5 league, as opposed to whose level is top 6 in the Championship. Man U apart, if there was a sudden vacancy at any of the EPL's top 8, Benitez's name would crop up while the shortlist is being made. Bruce's wouldn't. Period.

    If Rafa caomes back, expect an upturn in Yedlin's performances.
     
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  18. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    I'm pretty confident his athleticism was what got Bayern's attention. He's got height and a pretty nice speed/quickness combo for that size. If we were comparing him to the player pool I would say he's got more athleticism than say Miazga.

    I've always found him to be a good passer, very capable of opening up the field. It's really all about reps and playing time for him at this point. Centerbacks are just hard to predict because as noted here and in other threads they HAVE to have the mental focus throughout 90 minutes.

    I would be pretty shocked if a healthy Richards wouldn't make a USA World Cup squad in 2022. As far as Bayern? His path to the 1st team is like other young CBs at top squads-->show well enough on loan to be considered the 3rd/4th option and then earn it over more established players.
     
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  19. AngelaMerkin

    AngelaMerkin Member+

    Dec 2, 2005
    I'd love to see Bayern setup a 2 year loan for him at one of the lower half Bundesliga sides with a recall option only in the 2nd year. That will give him time to establish if he's Bayern ready while the loan side can actually play him without having to immediately rush in a replacement after the first year... dare to dream
     
  20. Tmagic77

    Tmagic77 Member+

    Feb 10, 2003
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Probably 1.
     
  21. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Disappointed to see he’s not in the 18.
     
  22. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  23. autobus39

    autobus39 Member+

    Jun 28, 2006
    Scranton, PA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bayern Munich II won 2-1 and remain top of the 3. Liga.

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  24. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thats an understatement- i see eddie pope in his athleticsm/movement.
     
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  25. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I finally found a tab on Transfermarkt that allows you to view the oldest and youngest players in the BDL. It always seems to me like the youngest players getting looks are of the attacking variety and that center-backs, in particular, take longer to get to the big show. It makes a ton of sense to me as I think that it is certainly one of the hardest, if not, the hardest position to play. But I never had any stats to back it up. Unfortunately, transfermarkt only seems to list teenagers and does not go into the 20s.... but Richards just turned 20 so I think it applies. Of the 34 youngest players in the BDL this season only 4 of them were center-backs... and all together they didn't log 600 minutes:

    Melayro Bogarde 18 - 50 minutes
    Malick Thiaw 18 - 72
    Ethan Ampadu 19 - 78
    Nico Schlotterbeck 19 - 372

    I will be interested to see where Chris goes from here. Not sure he needs another season in the BDL3... but still think he is kind of young to be a center-back in the BDL. Perhaps a loan to Fortuna would be a good choice? I have to assume they will push for promotion in the BDL2 next year.

    I really wish there was a better source for football stats out there. It seems odd that I can't sort players by age and position. Anyone know a way to do it? There is an age by appearance tab on transfermarkt. If I sort by 50 appearances then out of the top 25 players only 2 of them were center-backs... and one of them was born in 1954.
     
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