Tyler Adams at AFC Bournemouth

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  1. nikeboots

    nikeboots Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Ohio/Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can you expand on this with specific examples?

    Not saying you're wrong or anything but I didn't get a chance to watch and would like to see the full picture because he looks fine in the Watke video.
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Here:

    https://tii.ai/FtrhH

    That's the full game. Count how many successful counters/attacks started with Adams.
     
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  3. nikeboots

    nikeboots Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Ohio/Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't have time to watch the full game but it's gonna be pretty hard to start a bunch of attacks and counters from the 6 position when your team has 72% possession.

    But anyways just from the Watke video, he starts attacks by winning the ball at 20 seconds in the Watke video, also one at the 1:24 mark, and at the 2:03 mark as well.
     
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  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'm not saying he was bad, but from a DM in a team that is a Top 3 in a Top 4 league, everybody expects more.

    The basic problem with highlight reels is the lack of context. That's why games must be watched. Unfortunately, that doesn't leave time to write lengthy explanations for those who refuse to actually watch.
     
  5. nikeboots

    nikeboots Member

    Jul 21, 2012
    Ohio/Oklahoma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Work and family take precedence. You seemed to indicate that you had some insight about the game today because you watched. I'd liked to be enlightened with some examples, that's all.
     
  6. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Leipzig had a hard time moving the ball out of the back. Adams is a good player but he lacks command (imo). Edit: He is very young so it might come eventually.
     
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  7. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Uh yeah don't put much stock in all touch or any touch videos. Then be careful who you ask for opinions, some posters are self appointed yank "realists" (read negativists) and seldom have much good to say about our players.

    Schalke let practically an entire midfield go for free in the last four years. Only an oil rich club, oligarch financed club could afford that and remain UEFA level competitive.

    Weston is a different type of player, but he seems to do better playing higher in the midfield without really being a CAM. I don't think he is really all that a DM either, his best role is a dual pulley or a high 6 in a three man midfield. Tedesco played him as a high 6 and the 10 played a bit deeper. It was strange but very effective.
     
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  8. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    I'll keep my stock in the videos. Fortunately, I don't have much stock in BS commentators, so no big losses there. Thank you @watke and other video content producers.
     
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  9. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Yeah I wasn't meaning to be disrespectful to the all touches, I watch them even when I watch the games. I do appreciate that and it is a great resource for us.
     
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  10. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The two FD center forwards were not pressing the RBL center backs but instead were crowding the center of the pitch, Adams territory. Most attacks bypassed that area because it was so crowded. Not adams fault really it was just the right way to avoid FD’s pressure.
     
  11. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    What are the critics saying about his performances this season compared to last?
     
  12. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I think the videos are good to show if a player is making a lot of mistakes on the ball and Adams made very few. I remember one giveaway off the top of my head. However, what those videos don't show, that Adams and a lot of our guys struggle with at times, is a player's ability to involve themselves and be more influential. Things like showing for and getting on the ball and taking initiative aren't always obvious in an all touches video. Is a player the guy his teammates look for or is he the one they expect to do the work but don't give him the ball much? I do feel like Adams was playing in a deep, defensive position, and it is a fairly common refrain that if you don't notice your 6, they probably played a pretty good game so I think he was at least solid, especially in the first half. But, he was not a dominating player or a strongly influential player as far as the flow of the game went so I can't say he had a great game. Wes was far more influential for Schalke for example.
     
  13. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The BL has finally caught up to Watke. Clips are gone.
     
  14. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You'd think a team sponsored by Gazprom would have some shady dealmakers out there recruiting players to wear their shirt for some off the books money.
     
  15. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    no timo for the champions league run is some mercenary bullshit. truly wish pulisic played anywhere else
     
  16. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Wait wut?

    You mean players aren't playing for the shirt? Oh the horrors! It might be better to look at it like thanks Timo for helping us get to the CL.
     
  17. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Literally no one is weeping for FC Energy Drink.
     
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  18. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for noticing. It looked like the gameplan from the get-go for Fortuna was to force the ball wide. The duel strikers were both manning the center of the pitch when they didn't have the ball. The vast majority of the time there was no space to get the ball in between them. It was designed that way and that is why RBL went back to a duel 6 in the 2nd half so that there were two outlets up the middle... and it worked a bit better. Again, I find it hard to understand why some consider this a bad performance. He was tasked to play CDM with the emphasis on D and he did it well IMO. He didn't cause a single turnover the entire game and his pace allowed him to stop several counters created by poor passes from his teammates. I think he completed all of his passes again as well... and some of them were actually quite nice. I particularly loved how calm on the ball he was... that play where he faced Thommy all alone deep in his own half and just kicked it at him to win a throw was pretty cool. You see it often but the way he did it was slick. At any rate, IMO... he is slowly regaining the confidence he showed in his stint last season. He isn't there yet... but I think he is on his way.
     
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  19. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    When you are over matched, flood the midfield make it messy, push it all wide and hopefully have a little speed up top to get on the end of a clearance or two- footy 101. The other team will never look pretty in that scenario unless they grab and early goal or two to force you out of the shell. Lower mid table teams often survive by playing ugly negative football.

    For RBL when facing a team like that the clean up guy has to be very careful and keep the back tidy. It is a no glamour thankless job that is essential to not giving up lots of points to smash and grab masters that get a coach fired. coaches tend to grade o a different scale than most fans.
     
  20. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    i will never understand how an energy drink company is somehow the dregs of soccer owners whereas oligarchs who looted the mineral wealth of the former soviet union are fine and dandy
     
  21. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Just in Germany. Red Bull would be nothing to even double glance at in the EPL or other leagues. It was a coup for MLS.
     
  22. matabala

    matabala Member+

    Sep 25, 2002
    Adams, even at 90% of his physical ability, is still good enough to be a starter in the BL. That says a lot about his quality. But he is clearly not the "attacking" player he was before the injury issues. He has become a hub rather that a spear tip. He has the technical level and we know he's got the field intelligence. Even with some physical limitations (or better said hesitations), he can contribute at that level.
     
  23. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on what I have seen when he has been playing CDM it seems pretty obvious that he isn't being asked to attack. I would love to see him get a chance to move to the more offensively minded duel 6 but there are 3 CDMs with far more experience going forward on the squad so I don't see it happening this season. Further, I would argue that he is the best CDM they have with respect to the description that y-lee-coyote wrote. Far too much criticism on this board for a 21-year old getting regular minutes on a CL level team. God forbid he doesn't have it all figured out right now.
     
  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Eh, it's more like:

    Tyler Adams plays RB.
    BS: ARRRRGH!!! DOESN'T COACH X REALIZE ADAMS IS A CDM! SO DUMB!

    Tyler Adams plays a traditional CDM role, staying home defensively.
    BS: OMG ADAMS ISNT ATTACKING. HE SUCKS.

    He's just getting the Pulisic treatment from the handwringers.
     
  25. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Wait a minute. You are essentially saying there is disagreement on whether he should play rb or cdm. Don't you want Adams to become a good attacker? I do.
     

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