News: 2020 Season and Virus Talk

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by nbrooks503, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #2551 juvechelsea, Jun 11, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2020
    Getting back to the Dynamo, one could see our problems as the aftereffects of our original sin. We swiped a team. We got a prepackaged winner who got us two trophies right away, in the hard cap era. We didn't have a stadium done. We didn't have to assemble a local ownership group. We didn't have to do the hard work. It got handed to us with legacy players, coach, owners. We did a temporary rental for a stadium.

    Once we got out on our own, AEG sold out, the weaknesses manifested. Cheap owners. Mediocre stadium. And that's when the league chose to liberate cap policies. And we got swamped.

    I think the SSS was conventional wisdom of the time. If you look at the relative attendance and competitiveness of SSS teams that theory is proving wrong over time. And ownership merely capable of paying the asking price is proving insufficient in a league where you are competing with NFL owners hosting MLS teams for free. We can safely assume we pay more in rent than Seattle or Atlanta does, to have fewer attend. They pay more payroll, are more competitive, and can even sell their in demand players for more than we can.

    We don't play indoors where it's comfortable. And we now seem torn between whether we need our best players to play or to sell.

    I think we could be more competitive with a focus on development, and selling players to expand the revenues and payroll. But we are paralyzed and afraid of selling, holding out for too much too long. And until perhaps recently the development was poor.

    I think we need to do development and sell players. But I think that gets you just above the red line based on Dallas. If you want to compete for cups we need a new sugar daddy.

    Otherwise, I always find it interesting to look down league champions lists abroad. You see where Leicester had that miracle year. Blackburn was once good. Leeds. Notts Forest. Derby. Ipswich. Wolves. They all probably thought it would go on forever. Us, Columbus, the Rapids, those kind of historical asterices. We snuck in during a particular opening. We have not done what the league requires since about 2010, 2013 at the latest.
     
  2. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    If you wanted a model that might get you an outside chance, it would be the Sigi-in-Columbus model of basically becoming a miniature US Olympic team of a bunch of U23s, take some lumps, but accumulate blue chippers. Then put Schelotto types on top. Our team is instead buy the eye candy first and then throw filler around it.

    And I am not sure this model works anymore because if they can buy Vela he will spin around your well intentioned U23 and be better than your cherry on top. The supporting casts have improved since the first Beckham years.
     
  3. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im not suggesting anything. Dude, the politicians are pretzelling themselves to blame Abbott and conservatives for any rises in cases, that's the point. I don't think most even care about the rise in cases, its part of the deal as you test more.

    But when it goes up next week it won't be the protests, it will be because Abbott let the BBQ joints open up to 75% of capacity.

    The color coded system is just a scare tactic by Dora the County Judge.
     
  4. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did the Chronicle write this post for you?
     
  5. Varus

    Varus Member

    Feb 5, 2015
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  6. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This!
    Growing pro players, fielding them past the USL by the time the boys turn to 19 or 20 and getting them to be MLS, Houston Dynamo, starters by the time they are 21 to witness their Houston Texas way of playing soccer, that is with grit, pace and superior technical ability as American men go, this is now THE route our owners must go. MLS is booming and as we all know the teams that are getting their ship in order are leaving everyone else behind. Fast!
    Once again amigo mio! I know you know your game. However, for the last f'n time Juve, stop saying "we swiped a team", and "we got a prepackaged winner" and as well "we didn't have a stadium deal done".
    You always leave out the huge fact that nobody in Houston in 2005 was clamoring for AEG to relocate San Jose here. There was talk of San Jose going to San Diego or Miami or being bought out by Club America from the MFL back then but no local owner here in Houston or any fan organized movement was out and about on Glenn's radio show asking for the move. What always needs to be recalled from what I foundly call the "AEG Relocation Project" is AEG was stuck in a college gridiron stadium in San Jose, with a loyal fan base and two MLS Cups in the trophy case. But AEG still ********ed over those loyal fans and just showed up here in Houston, demanding all soccer lovers come out to this new team here in town. If AEG moves that team to San Diego or Miami or Des Moines Iowa no matter how stacked that side was they ain't winner MLS Cup 2006! It was the special combination of how us in Houston are, with our welcoming show of support and then the players picking up on that and running with it all the way to Ching's header in overtime and PK to seal the Cup.
    You also leave out that our Houston team turned up in CCL play beating Pachuca and Monterey when both were Liga MX Champions, which really moved the needle in our soccer savvy town's view of just what this team is worth!!!
    Sure we got "handed" a team of such talent but said team moves anywhere else and the atmosphere is lame, the players are pissed they moved away from where they and their families had settled for years and the whole AEG Relocation Project just ends up a very sore black eye on Don Garber and the league as a whole. All these years on and it really can be seen with good light how incredible thing turned out for MLS as a league. Cuz Tonto FC came in right after us, with four years of lead up time compared to our 4 months, that is something else that needs to be understood. TFC and their fans n supporters uped what us in Houston showed with the flags and color bars and megabandera (telon en espnaol) and grew the optics of MLS. Something that is so core to the booming MLS scene was what us and TFC built our legacy on.
     
  7. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    So much cringe. You know they thought, "shit, let me find five people to tag and get this done."
     
  9. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shit!
    Devil Dawg...I'd piss on a spark plug right about now if I knew it would bring our culture and our people tog,ether in peace and understanding!!!
     
  10. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    If only it were that easy.
     
  11. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess some people bought Dora the County Judge’s new color warning system, specifically calibrated to incite fear when only 15% of ICU beds are filled with COVID patients

     
  12. NicaMexicano

    NicaMexicano Member

    Aug 6, 2008
    Houston
    This made me go back and look at pictures.... I didn't see any N95's during the protest or in the pictures. These are actually very hard to come by unless your are directly entering COVID patient's room, and at that point these masks are checked out to you. We don't have open access to these masks. I'm sure you think we do.
     
  13. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020


    Luckys by the stadium is closing. As far as I know it’s just this location.
     
  14. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is what I posted - it’s this social justice medical professional - 3M N95

     
  15. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you’ll see a lot more of this over the next few months. I assume Ching got the PPP loans for pitch 25 but that concept is a problem given restrictions
     
  16. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many of us U.S.A. fans gathered at Discovery Park for the opening match of Group A play during South Africa 2010 when it was the Yanks vs. the Wanks, migrating over to Lucky's Pub for the rest of the tournament. I recall the place being packed for Ghana vs. U.S.A. in the knockout round. That was a fun day in life! My buddies and I have terrific memories of that place. We also saw the famous "The Lights Go Out in L.A." playoff game there at Lucky's on a jumbo screen out back. Place was packed with Dynamo fans that night as well!
    Sucks to see that place go.
     
  17. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    I dont think you understand public health.
     
  18. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand they aren’t very good at their job or communicating consistent accurate messages. Panic and fear messaging that doesn’t pan out or is given for political reasons isn’t a good way to earn credibility.
     
  19. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    WTF? Reply is not congruent with the original statement.
     
  20. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where are all my doomers? There's been a slight uptick in numbers of people testing positive in Texas so I'd figure you'd all be in here to celebrate!!

    BTW, the media is 1000% complicit in this - seeing all of these national sites talking about "Houston Relock" and "Precipice of Disaster" (that one was a Dora the County Judge quote) but when you actually look at the stats and the Texas Medical Center daily reports and charts, its not anywhere close to that.

    Chronicle is back to full virus panic mode now that protests and riots have died down.
     
  21. Dynamo_Forever

    Dynamo_Forever Member+

    Aug 9, 2007
    Clear Lake, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the point of posting, when you have all the answers.
     
  22. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well If so many people thought They coils actually prove me wrong I’m sure you’d be rushing to Correct me.

    I am absolutely stunned at how many people think this is going to be quickly eradicated and you’re not gonna have to figure out a way to live with it other than just yell “wear a mask in lockdown forever”. That’s not a solution to anything, it’s a stopgap measure that can’t be sustained unless everybody wants to go back a century.

    And the minute that worldwide travel opens up again you’re gonna be back having to deal with it no matter what you do locally.

    And when mayor Turner comes out there yelling for everybody how dangerous it is and how we all need to mask up and stay inside and then he’s out there leading the charge of the protests and blaming Abbott for taking away local authority - that’s really rich
     
  23. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While over the past three months I have acquired considerable expertise in matters related to statistics, epidemiology, national security, economics, etc to go along with my already vast expertise in matters relating to soccer, England, US Law Enforcement, I would opine that a review of the measures taken as a result of the Covid19 pandemic will come to the conclusion we got it wrong and over reacted.

    I very much doubt that should there be a resurgence of the infection, that drastic measures affecting the economy of the world will be reintroduced.

    If indeed masks, social distancing and basic personal hygiene measures go a long way toward mitigating the transmission of the disease, then I would suggest that far less drastic measures affecting the working population will be put into effect.

    This is something that we will be living with for the foreseeable future and even a vaccine will not eradicate the disease. It took decades to eradicate polio and smallpox.
     
    Ethos and Westside Cosmo repped this.
  24. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    you're engaged in mythmaking. a survey of MN protesters found very few turned up sick. your chronology doesn't work either because the protests just happened and it doesn't happen that fast to show up in statistics. weeks to get infected, get sick, get tested, get results back, get results in official numbers.

    and then you want us to ignore your own protests, that the governor opened the state for business again, all the running around by joe schmos all over town, the polling that shows disparate willingness to mask up.

    no, these numbers reflect what happens when you reopen an economy before the sickness is gone. duh. the curve had barely gone down. it is now higher than ever.

    it's a cute variation on GOP "just desserts" arguments, except if most protesters wore masks it's not a big risk behavior. you're confusing your ideas of karma with how a virus actually works. the virus doesn't make people sick because you wish it so. any more than hurricanes hit a city because of gays or anything else.

    the GOP has good lawyers. they can come up with stuff that has a logic. the GOP has poor scientists. their arguments do not match observed reality. logic is theory. science is theory tested.

    just like when i say that it's nice that some player in theory could help and i'm more concerned what did he actually do last year.
     
  25. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    we have let the genie go too far out of the bottle to allow most people to run around while contact tracing the few actual sick people. taiwan, new zealand, they can actually trace contacts because the disease isn't everywhere. one guy gets it. they follow him around. they quarantine those few people.

    we let it get past that. at that point your choices are lockdown for weeks to get the genie back in the bottle, or just let the virus run free.

    sweden and the UK tried to frame let it run free as herd immunity policy but what they don't say is to get there you need 80% of the country sick (or immunized). this is slow enough a spread we would have to chase that forever. and if you got 80% of the country sick without a vaccine you're probably talking millions dead to get there.

    we are basically reframing indifference or defeatism as "pro economy."

    the reality is if disease is rife people will go back inside and your economy goes to crap anyway.

    the fib is ignoring that the markets tanked BEFORE shutdowns -- anticipating health measures -- and that people were getting laid off already THEN. oil workers. etc. the markets get that public health is an underpinning to a healthy economy. every time we let the genie out the markets tank, because they understand that whether we lock down or not, that will hit health measures and the bottom line. this is not politics. this is science. you can't run a meat plant or restaurant if your whole work force gets sick. the health department will shut you down if you don't first. before any lockdown happens.

    but the current state of public health is you either trace individuals or lock down everyone. if you pick neither that is not really a choice. it's quitting. you will then take your lumps.
     

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