NSR: CHICAGO Political Thread ***HIGHLY TOXIC - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK***

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by skinut, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    There’s textbook Libertarians and right-wing radio Libertarians. I’m speaking of the latter, not the former. @kenosis is a reformed Libertarian but I would never imply that he was ever racist. I should have been more clear.

    EDIT: But if you’re implying black Libertarians can’t be in support of white supremacy or racism, we have a lot to discuss.
     
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  2. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I meant to imply nothing :whistling:. I'm a PoliSci major, sorry.
     
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  3. kenosis

    kenosis Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    Crook County, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    You might not, but you have said, in very direct words, that I care more about money than anything else, and that was long after I abandoned libertarianism. I got a chuckle about that - I forgot which of my volunteer jobs I went to later that evening, might have been my Kolbe House Prison Ministry at Cook County or the No One Dies Alone one at AMITA Bolingbrook, where my job as a volunteer was to sit with people actively dying in hospice because they had no family or friends that could sit with them.

    Much like progressivism, libertarianism is a pretty broad tent. It's a whole lot broader than the two camps you've made it into. Not sure I'd say the majority of them, but certainly a lot of them are much more into the civil libertarian aspects than the economic ones - they remember when the Left cheerily supported the Patriot Act, did nothing to close Guantanamo, and put detainees in cages. Many, like every human being I've ever met that wasn't in line to become a bodhisattva, live in a state of deep cognitive dissonance.

    You're under no responsibility to try and convert them, but I'd be happy to tell you about how I abandoned the philosophy. The story isn't unique - I did it through people listening to the ambivalences I felt about a lot that I saw and believed. I didn't do it because people like you belittled me, much as you may have thought you were doing me a service.
     
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  4. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Illinois government is particularly bloated. We have almost 7000 units of government in IL. Far and away the most in the country. Texas is the next closest with 5147. Florida has 6 million more people than IL yet has only 1650 units of government. I'm not saying we should look to Florida as the perfect example, but surely some consolidation should be made and the resulting budget savings split between lowering taxes and social initiatives. A part of Elgin actually funds 16 different government entities!
     
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  5. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You may have renounced Libertarianism but not your ego.

    Well, we’re either all allowed to grow or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  6. kenosis

    kenosis Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    Crook County, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Renouncing the ego is tough. Hard to be a bodhisattva with kids. There's a reason holy people tend to abandon their families. Which begs the question as to whether or not holiness is much of a virtue at all.
     
  7. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    Man, thank you for that! "Renounce" is such a funny word. It's like that priest that renounced having a family so he could molest little boys.
     
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  8. kenosis

    kenosis Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    Crook County, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    If it was just one, man, would that be better. Some of the most evil people I've met have been the most pious. In psychology they call it compensatory ethics or moral balancing.

    I wish the Catholic Church (well, at least the Roman Rite) would let priests get married and woman be priests, before or after throwing like 75% of the USCCB in prison.
     
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  9. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry I was on edibles when I wrote the original post. What I guess I was trying to say was that in the absence of a larger state/country government system like we have now smaller factions with more autonomy would pop up to at the very least provide basic stuff they all agree is necessary. At least that's what i'd hope. Imagine if the us/state governments were just there to provide the very basics and each individual city had more autonomy over it's own governance. Wouldn't that be better seeing how it's impossible to please everyone but, easier to please the people you actually know
     
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  10. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You don’t have to apologize for being on edibles!

    Look at Georgia right now. The authority to run their own elections had been pulled decades ago because of civil rights violations from the “local authorities”. Fast forward to now and that authority was returned to the state by the supreme court. Decades after a pattern of civil rights violations, the same violations are returning. They shut down hundreds of polling places in black communities so, effectively, black people can’t vote in Georgia now.

    That is what you want? Right wing radio wants that. That’s their goal disguised as “FREEDOMZ!!!!”
     
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  11. Martininho

    Martininho Member+

    Feb 13, 2007
    Chicago
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    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Holy shit, may I borrow this? My baseball bats need some engraving.
     
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  12. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Ownership is theft!
     
  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Ten minutes:

     
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  14. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    #3589 sportscrazed2, Jun 10, 2020
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    No that doesn't sound like what I want. I guess the moral of all this bickering is that humans will find a way to ******** up everything. But how does Georgia being assholes make an entire philosophy wrong? I'm curious.
     
  15. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
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    Yeovil Town FC
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    Scotland
    because, for about 5000 years, the same shit happens EVERY TIME we try that philosophy.
     
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  16. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which philosophy are we talking about again? Sorry I might be speaking out of my ass but, upon first glance at the Libertarian party website it seems grounded in common sense. Of course anything as the power to be corrupted. I just don't get how a statement like "i want to be left alone to my own devices to do whatever I want without the interference of the goverment as long as it's not hurting anyone else" leads to racist polling places in georgia?
     
  17. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Christ it’s windy out today.
     
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  18. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
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    United States
    Ok maybe you guys are right about Joe Rogan. This guy is obviously crazy but, he doesn't call him out on it and even seems to encourage the spread of more BS.
     
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  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    For adverse possession in real property, theft (for a long enough period of time) is ownership.
     
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  20. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You should stay upwind of me
     
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  21. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
  22. kenosis

    kenosis Member

    Mar 31, 2007
    Crook County, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Weird flex to not like soldiers who were captured but to like generals who lost.
     
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  23. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Second Confederate President
     
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  24. lethargytartare

    lethargytartare Member+

    Oct 2, 2000
    Magrathea, Horsehead Nebula
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    it's pretty simple:

    1. you do whatever you want
    2. I get hurt
    3. you say I didn't get hurt and keep doing whatever you want
     
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  25. sportscrazed2

    sportscrazed2 Member+

    Jul 30, 2008
    Mordor, Middle Earth
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4. A court hears evidence and testimony from all sides
    5. Laws are passed banning previously deemed harmful behavior.
    Just to play devil's advocate
     

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