Trump Presidency X-like American History X, but without the laughs

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  1. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    A lot of people just don't like him because he showed what a farce 16 years of believing Claudio Reyna as enabled by Bruce Arena was
     
  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    Because the NYT Opinion editors feel it is important to counter the claims that their reporting is biased towards liberals. As a result, the opinion pages counters that by making sure Conservatives have a platform to spew their crap.
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    But, you must confess, you are not particularly surprised.
     
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  4. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Nothing surprises me about this. No.
     
  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
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    But that's total crap! You can have people writing from a "Conservative" point of view, but for God's sake, at least let it be someone who is intelligent enough to make a reasonable, intellectually honest argument. Oh, ad not be a ********ing racist fascist asshole too!

    The Boston Globe used to have this guy, Jeff Jacoby as their token, but the guy was such a shitty writer and his points were just plain stupid, the kind of argument a stubborn high schooler would make. Dunno if he's still around, I haven't read the print edition in years.
     
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  6. chad

    chad Member+

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    The New York Times has been under the sway of false equivalency for quite some time now. Their coverage of Hillary vs. Donald in 2016 was astonishingly naive and bereft of any sort of discernment that could establish them as an authority of judgment. In other words, I mainly play the Spelling Bee, do the crossword, and read the Social Cues guy.
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

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    May 2, 2001
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    Just finished eating supper made from a NYT recipe. Shout out to those people, too.
     
  8. chad

    chad Member+

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  9. ChrisSSBB

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    Top notch
     
  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    Jul 23, 2004
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    Exactly

    It was obvious things had gone off the rails when they hired Bret Stephens in to the opinion pages to drop concern trolling and climate change denial. Until that point the NYT had led on climate change with quality coverage.

    Having conservative views does not mean having dumb views - there has been a significant failure at editorial level on both sides of the paper for some time now.
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Unfortunately this extends to the news side as well.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    At this specific moment, yeah, it does.

    Yesterday I read a long piece about how and why the NYT is failing at journalism. I wish I could remember where I saw it and link it. Anyway, the problem is that the NYT assumes good faith on both sides. It assumes honest debate. It assumes a shared set of facts and beliefs. But the modern Republican party really doesn't believe in liberal democracy, it just doesn't. It doesn't believe in improving society through rational means, it doesn't believe in free and fair elections. But the NYT's model of journalism doesn't allow it to write news articles starting with the assumption that Republicans would be perfectly happy with gerrymandering so extreme that they could win 60% of the legislative seats in NC despite the Dems getting more votes, and the model certainly doesn't allow them to write news articles starting with the assumption that that's a problem.

    The conservative bias of the NYT isn't that the journos there are biased in favor of standard conservative ideology. The bias is that at this moment the party that claims to be conservative is a white revanchist party funded by plutocrats, but their journalism model pretends otherwise. They believe what the GOP tells them conservatism is; I say, conservative is as conservative does. Actions are what matter.

    Like, one example. We're over a decade into the modern health care debate, and NYT journos treat seriously the notion that the GOP has a health care plan. I'm sure they're not dumb enough to believe the emperor's clothes are the finest in the land. But their journalism can't say he's naked.
     
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  13. xtomx

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    "But journalists can't say he is naked."

    Well, it has taken them 3 1/2 years to say "lied," and rarely do that.
    "Naked"? That's a step too far.
     
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  14. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    I was watching Barack Obama taking questions from the House Republicans in 2010. Those people did puppy eyes very well. (Think Paul Ryan.) One gets up and almost tearfully accuses Obama of "playing politics" (gasp!) by saying that the Republicans haven't presented a serious health care plan. That's just not fair, why they sent Barack a big detailed plan only the past month, but they never get to talk about it on the House floor because Pelosi won't let them.

    Barack picks up the plan and reads from the first page. It says that the GOP will expand health care to 30 million Americans without costing taxpayers one penny. Barack puts that down and says, "Come on, that's not realistic. That's not a plan. That's boilerplate."

    They were gaslighting even then. And to tell the truth, they oozed sincerity. I just about believed that when they put forward gibberish, that they truly thought they were delivering high-quality content. I really do think they gaslighted themselves. Which is a particularly dangerous mental condition.
     
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  15. JohnR

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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree that the GOP is a proto fascist party which should not be taken seriously

    But it is possible to have conservative views that are reality based as opposed to GOP propaganda

    That is why I mentioned Stephens who IIRC does not support Trump but also spouts climate change denial and effectively trolls the libs

    There is no reason to include this content but it was part of the editors idea of balanced debate
     
  17. Dr. Wankler

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    If you find it, post it, please: my search engine qi is negative, since I'm guessing your source isn't Daily Caller type critiques of the Librul Meedya.


    Not too different from how such outlets treat religion: Christianity is tailor-made for the Republican party. Because Republicans and power-infatuated evangelicals tell them so.
     
  18. ToMhIlL

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    Back in the day, Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan were friendly adversaries, pretty much always on opposite sides of every issue. But there was respect because while they didn't agree with the other's views on the best way to solve a problem like poverty, there was at least recognition that it was a problem.

    Today's GOP won't even acknowledge that there is a poverty problem.
     
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  19. Mojo Jambo

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    When I suggested the thread title back in January "Trump Presidency X- America, with its teeth on the curb", at the time I thought I was been too dramatic.
     
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  20. song219

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    Apr 5, 2004
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    Do you need any more?
     
  21. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
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    Just recently he wrote some opinion piece blasting Trump, but deep in the article he allows himself to say something along the lines of "I doubt a Hillary Clinton presidency would have handled the pandemic much better".

    Which is all sorts of bullshit, of course.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    If you liked that, I have some hearings that rhyme with Jen Gozzi that will knock your socks off. :thumbsup:
     
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  23. usscouse

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    May 3, 2002
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  24. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Lie number 2,347. Then 2 weeks too late.

    The White House says President Donald Trump has been working “quietly and diligently” on what is believed to be a speech addressing race relations in the wake of three weeks of protests over the killing by white police officers of an unarmed, handcuffed Black man, George Floyd. Those protests have turned into a movement fighting racial injustice.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/wh...etly-and-diligently-on-race-relations-speech/
     
  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Say hello to your next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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