Yes. Pelé played. The result was 5-3. https://acervosantosfc.com/confrontos-santos-x-real-madrid/ If I remember Pelé had a goal + assist (unclear) and Di Stefano had 3 or 4 assists (unclear). Don't know about footage tho.
At 35 years old against a strong Monaco side(French champions) This goal taken in complete isolation is greater then the entire champions league career of Francesco Totti Class truly is permanent . Agree totally with what is being said here. In terms of attributes/skill set or what Hagi could do on his best days I dont think there are 10 better players The fact that he didn't play his prime in top leagues(rightly)goes against him Its forgotten or at least not mentioned that during his physical prime he did have a legendary performance in the 1988/89 European cup scoring 6 goals+5 assists as a attacking midfielder And he was also in my estimation the best performer in world cup 1994 up until the quarter final stage(a bit similar to James Rodriguez 20 years later) Hagi in his prime was an absurdly gifted technician, a genius and it is no exaggeration to say he was in the late 80s and 90s Europe's answer to Diego maradona
Platini as a CAM scored for club and country 30+ goals in eight seasons and 20+ goals in eleven seasons. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Platini#Statistiques_détaillées_du_joueur That is more than, for example, Cruyff in his carrer, the dutch scored 30+ goals in six seasons and 20+ goals in ten seasons. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cruyff#Statistiques_de_joueur A curiosity Platini considered Pelé as the best of all-time back 1987(?) 4:20
Between kenny dalglish and Denis law who would you opt for as being Scotland's greatest ever player @PDG1978
Maybe Dalglish, but I don't suggest it's obvious or clear-cut. Some historians will/have picked Law I think, but in the World Soccer readers vote at the end of the century (as opposed to the IFFHS vote) Dalglish was voted among the top 25 and Law nowhere to be seen. Dalglish was a more recent player, and Man United fan votes would have gone to Best and Charlton before Law I suppose. I'd think it's right to say Dalglish had a bit more in the way of genius/inspiration, and probably more influence on the flow of games at his best (but as the video will show, Law was plenty skilled enough and able to create things). Law was a better scorer and goal poacher probably (although Dalglish better at finishing from around the edge of the box, and at creating his own chances with control/ideas at times). I think Law was one of Dalglish's idols if I remember correctly, and in turn Law's opinion of Dalglish was extremely high (even before he played for Liverpool - recalling that he was already comparing him favourably with Keegan) as indicated with his words on this documentary video called Kenny, from 1986:
How is it so that prime Denis law overcame greater competition to win the ballon dor whilst kenny dalglish never made the podium even once in a comparatively weak era (late 70s and early 80s) This is despite the fact Liverpool of the 80s was completely more dominant force then Manchester United of the 60s. I don't know if you watched the comp? I had to come across a Denis law comp to discover how devastating George best was as a wing creator So many assists and pre assist by George best including a bicycle assist from the flank The type of ingenuity one would associate with a maradona.
Yeah, I'm sure I've seen that one before and recall those kind of assists by Best and know what you mean (one of his own does include quite a few assists - maybe by the same user although I didn't check just now - but not all of those ones to Law I think). I guess in 1983 for example (especially considering calendar year) Platini was pretty much a shoe-in. In a Player of the Season poll (IOC) on the other hand Dalglish did come second but ahead of Platini for 1982/83, but also won for 1977/78: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/h...yer-short-lists.2027972/page-43#post-36234306 I think Law said he was surprised to win, and expected Eusebio to win the Ballon d'Or that year if I remember correctly, but surely Law must have been a worthy winner. Eusebio for that particular year wasn't as compelling/obvious a choice as Platini in 1983 I suppose though.
Dalglish did finish 2nd once in 1983. I think the 70s and 80s Ballon D'or did not reflect how well the English teams did in European competitions. For example, English teams won 6 straight European Cups between 77-82, and they had ZERO Ballon D'or finish to show for. Dalglish did finish 2nd in the year after, as I said. Throughout that period, Kevin Keegan won it twice and finished 2nd once, but all in Humburg shirt, even though he never won the European Cup or UEFA Cup with Hamburg the way he did with Liverpool. Dalglish would go on to two more European Cup finals, winning one, but he'd lose the Ballon D'or to Platini in both years.
During the fifty years or so before 1930, Scotland was more often than not the leading international team. Several of her greatest players are from that time. Leading performers for the national team included Charlie Campbell, Harry McNeil, Wally Arnott, Alex Raisbeck, Bobby Walker, Alan Morton and Hughie Gallacher. Other notables were largely ignored by the selectors because they played for English clubs, including Arthur Kinnaird (Wanderers, Old Etonians), Nick Ross (Preston), Archie Hunter (Aston Villa) and goalkeeper Ned Doig (Sunderland). Since then the Scottish national team has been largely unsuccessful. However, during the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, there were many key Scottish players at successful English and Scottish clubs. This is reflected in the Ballon d'Or voting shown below. All votes for Scottish players occurred between 1961 and 1987. Numbers give position in the annual list in question. Top 5 positions in bold. Law (1961-66, 1973): 23, 11, 4, 1, 11, 18, 23 Baxter (1965): 13 Johnstone (1967-69): 3, 24, 23 T Gemmell (1967-68): 6, 24 Bremner (1969, 1973-74): 23, 5, 9 Greig (1972): 18 Lorimer (1975): 11 McQueen (1977, 1979): 26, 21 Dalglish (1978-81, 1983, 1986): 8, 11, 14, 21, 2, 21 Souness (1978, 1984-85): 15, 6, 21 A Gemmill (1978): 19 Wark (1981): 9 Strachan (1983-84): 4, 18 McStay (1984): 18 Archibald (1985): 29 McCoist (1987): 21 In other voting featuring Scottish footballers, the IFFHS Top 100 Europeans of the twentieth century had Law at 37, Dalglish 46, Jimmy McGrory 66, Alex James 81 and Gallacher 89. The reputations of McGrory and James rest largely on their work with Celtic and Arsenal respectively. Around the same time in the late 1990s, journalists from World Soccer included Dalglish, Law and James in their alphabetical Top 100, and Venerdi had Dalglish and Law in their alphabetical list. In 2017, FourFourTwo magazine placed Dalglish at number 40, Jimmy Johnstone 65 and Law 76. In BigSoccer's Top 100, compiled by PDG from members' votes, only Dalglish (76) made the list.
Real Madrid Cristiano Ronaldo vs 09-18 Messi Based on ELO ratings (Club Elo) Just matches with 150 or less points of difference between the teams or vs 1900+ points sides (strong teams). Cristiano Ronaldo Messi Overall: Cristiano Ronaldo 54 Non-PK Goals + 9 Assists* in 83 Matches Messi 36 Non-PK Goals + 15 Assists in 72 Matches *1 Assists vs Bayern in 11/12.
250 goals+158 assists in 540 Serie A starts for Roma!!!!!!!! Totti’s first assist was against Inter in 12 February 1995 at 18 years old. In the end, Totti finished his career with something like 201 assists and 307 goals while playing for Roma. His last assist was against Torino in 19 February 2017, almost exactly 22 years after his first. Given that a regular professional career of a football player lasts around 17 seasons, whoever wants to surpass him needs to average more than 12 assists every season, which seems an almost unreachable achievement. Most players don’t even reach 12 assists in their best season. More impressively, Totti added to that 1.5 goals per every assist on average. It is an amazing achievement and a testimony of how great Totti and his career were. At his best and while still playing more than 1000 mins in a season, Totti had 0.538 assists per 90min (2013/2014), that would be a remarkable 20 assists in a 38 game season if he played every game. Even more stunning, in his last season, he had 0.718 assists per 90min, however he only played 877 minutes, while in his second to last season (2015/2016) he had a mind blowing 1.773 contributions (goals+assists) per 90min where he played mostly as a supersub. All in all, Totti had 7 seasons with approximately 1 contribution per game in all competitions, 8 in Serie A. He was also able to get the double-double (two-digit goals and assists) eight times in his career. If it were not for his several injuries, especially in the tail end of his career, his records would look even more impressive and untouchable. The team he assisted the most against was Inter at 13 times, @PuckVanHeel which shows how he thrived and how inspired he was against rivals. Totti also tended to assist more at home: 61% in all competitions while assisting 58% of the times at home in domestic competitions. Totti assisted against 61 different teams and to 63 different players. The players with which Totti had better connection were Montella (16 assists), Delvecchio (16 assists) and Cassano (15 assists). While Lamela’s 21 goals for Roma were assisted one third by Totti. These numbers are great enough by themselves, but if you’re a true Francesco Totti fan you know that the thing about him was not only the frequency with which he scored and assisted, but the manner in which he scored and assisted. What I saw in those videos when stacking up these numbers simply had to be shared. Below is the effort of several months of cutting, processing and combining videos. The result is a single video with every assist Totti ever made in a Roma shirt. Not only does this allow you to experience the genius of Francesco Totti in all its glory, but it also validates my work with strong evidence, and enables peer review on possible tricky cases. In the end, Totti made 43 crosses to goal, 27 lofted, 16 low. He also made 43 first-touch assists and an incredible 70 assists with passes behind the opposition’s defense and with only the keeper to beat. That’s almost twice the average of goals a Serie A team scores in a single season or as much as a scudetto winner only from passes that put teammates in the face of the keeper. Totti was also prolific in making assists from dead balls, with 16 from corners, 13 from free-kicks and even one from a throw-in. His versatile skill and vision are also showcased in his assist records, 22 assists with his left-foot, 3 with his head and an astounding 13 from backheels. https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2019/9/21/20876923/every-assist-totti-ever-made-with-roma Francesco Totti was as good as any league player in the world during 2002-2004 At the same time He wa challenging for capocannoniere he was possibly involved in the build of most of Roma's Attacking plays (Assists or the pass preceding it) Was an adept dribbler and good ball carrier His technique was for me out of this world 'Messi level' out of this world In a league format Totti had a run for around 3 straight seasons during which he was probably as influential as anyone in the world at that time I came across a comp Made in 2008 and all the footage is from when he was played as a trequartista (this was pre injury) Maybe Totti became a liability towards the end of his career and his reputation carried him further then it should've This could slightly confuse the 'younger' generation of fans like myself who saw him get routinely outplayed by zlatan ibrahimovic in Serie A One thing that escaped me and maybe a reason as to why zinedine seemed so godly in the early 2000s Any neutral forum you go to from 2000-2004 and you Will stumble across a reoccuring theme Zidane was but one of many great league performers The exact same level as rivaldo,Luis Figo,Francesco Totti,Thierry Henry Literally And i mean literally out of all these names zidane was the only player to bring his A game to big club KO matches ADP did it for a time but he was unlucky that he succumbed to knee injuries at 24 years And that generally his best champions league performance didn't coincide with his best league performances And the only time they did in 1997/98 he was unlucky that this was a world cup year A year in which zidane would steal headlines with his final brace Del piero had to also share the limelight with R9 in Serie A (A productive super flair player like himself) The stars were not aligned for him unfortunately If alessandro del piero had played that season in a non world cup year he would've been a ballon for winner Let's say in any year between 2001-2003 This is what is missing from the career of Francesco Totti A marquee season during which he was the best in a domestic and European context
https://www.xtratime.org/threads/veron-vs-zidane.46891/ More of the same here Costa would swap Batistuta for Filippo Inzaghi and Inzaghi would swap Zinedine Zidane for Costa, who made a comment on signing for his new club that Costa was the superior player to Zidane...... Confirmed also here https://www.xtratime.org/threads/filippo-inzaghis-comment-on-zidane-vs-rui-costa.40842/ an eternal debate in Italian football, similar to Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi now. Costa and Zidane played similar roles, and there is no questioning Zidane’s genius throughout his career, but in their heyday in the Serie A, it was Costa that seemed to excite and appeal on a more visceral level. Where Zidane played from his head, Costa played from his heart and that resonated deeply with Italian fans. https://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/02/20/rui-costa-the-slick-prince-who-became-a-king-in-italy/ @Dearman I dont think zidane ever reached a supreme world class level in a domestic league campaign https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/zinedine-zidane-review-1996-2006.2006080/ The ratings dont add up or build a favourable picture Even if he did reach that level in some games throughout a season Zidane was arguably OW for 9 years( give or take a year or two due to lapses of form that could last 3+ months or injury issues he had in 98/99) From 1997-2006 That is a great distinction perhaps not shared by any offensive player his generation I concur he reached a SW level in some isolated high profile matches that were aired in front of hundreds of millions of fans Not league level though(not consistently throughout a season) I'd be surprised if he had a league campaign with a sustained impact as Eden hazard/Alexis Sanchez 2014/15 Are there any reports you know of that point towards Zidane being dominant for even half a league campaign Head and shoulders above his peers Im talking about? Combined opta stats from la liga seasons 01/02 +02/03 Minutes on pitch Figo 4402 Zidane 4610 Raúl 5155 Goals Figo 17 ZIdane 15 Raul 25 Mins/goal Figo 259 Zidane 307 Raul 206 % shots/goals Figo 21% Zidane 20% Raul 19% Assists Figo 17 Zidane 12 Raul 12 Mins/assist Figo 259 Zidane 384 Raul 430 General Play Passes Figo 2404 Zidane 3357 Raul 2061 Pass completion % Figo 80% Zidane 84% Raul 78% Crosses Figo 553 Zidane 115 Raul 38 Cross completion % Figo 21% Zidane 33% Raul 32% Champions league Minutes on pitch Figo 1898 Zidane 1676 Raul 2046 Goal Attempts Goals Figo 5 Zidane 5 Raul 15 Mins/goal Figo 380 Zidane 335 Raul 136 % shots/goals Figo 14% Zidane 17% Raul 19% Assists Figo 3 Zidane 6 Raul 8 Mins/assist Figo 633 Zidane 279 Raul 256 Passes Figo 1176 Zidane 1299 Raul 820 Pass completion % Figo 83% Zidane 86% Raul 79% Crosses Figo 275 Zidane 49 Raul 27 Cross completion % Figo 24% Zidane 20% Raul 19%
As I said, I don't think % completion of each performance aspect (Dribbling, Passing, etc) could make entire perspective as it is only quantitative statistics. Zidane's quality of dribbling, organizing and passing made him distinguish from other playmakers.
If someone tells you Henrik Larsson wasn't a world-class player because he spent most of his career in Scotland, feel free to instantly disregard it. Larsson was an incredible footballer for Celtic, one of the greatest players in the club's history who scored 242 goals in 313 games. He was the top scorer in Europe in the 2000/01 season, netting a ridiculous 53 goals in 50 games for Celtic , and fired the team to four Scottish titles, two Scottish Cups and two Scottish League Cups. Larsson helped end Rangers' dominance of Scottish football, and scored twice in the 2003 Uefa Cup final, when Celtic narrowly lost to Jose Mourinho's Porto. He then went on to prove any doubters wrong by setting up both of Barcelona's goals as they won the 2006 Champions League final against Arsenal in Paris. Larsson was 34 at the time and had come back from the second serious knee injury of his career, winning the respect and admiration of his teammates in the process. He also played 106 times for Sweden, scoring 37 goals and was part of the side that finished third at the 1994 World Cup. Ferguson spoke about him in his second autobiography. "In training he was superb: his movement, his positional play. His three goals for us were no measure of his contribution. In his last game in our colours at Middlesbrough, we were winning 2-1 and Henrik went back to play in midfield and ran his balls off. "On his return to the dressing room, all the players stood up and applauded him, and the staff joined in. It takes some player to make that kind of impact in two months. Cult status can vanish in two minutes if a player isn't doing his job, yet Henrik retained that aura in his time with us. "He looked a natural Man United player, with his movement and courage." The most underrated CF of his generation?
"When you start out with nothing you fight for everything. Only those who have experienced a bitter and difficult childhood will understand my intense feelings about being a professional, and my care in making sure I get true reward for my effort." Didi
The genius level here is just completely off the charts Piksi is the most talented number 10 Europe ever produced bar non There I said it @Edhardy @PDG1978
If Cristiano Ronaldo's UCL campaigns in the wins (2014, 2016-18) were adapted into one 38-game campaign it would look like this:👥 38 appearances👤 38 starts (38 90s)⚽ 47 goals🎯 13 assists🟢 9.62 efficiency (+)!🥅 58 minutes per goal contributionGOAT-level production. pic.twitter.com/EnleaUGsEp— UtdArena (@UtdArena) May 29, 2020
😂 Johan teaching Stoichkov how to jumprope in 1992. 🤭 #CruyffLegacy🎥 @tv3cat pic.twitter.com/EFkVCVubbM— Johan Cruyff (@JohanCruyff) April 20, 2020