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  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1401 carlito86, Jun 3, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2020
    You did know van basten and batistutas time together(in the same league)literally lasted less than 2 seasons?


    During which time batistuta was a 22-24 year old man playing for a Fiorentina that finished 12th and 16th in respective seasons
    Fiorentina were actuallly demoted to Serie B in his second season

    How would a 23 year old van basten fare in early 90s Serie A for a relegation threatened team?
    I dont know and you don't know


    I do know this though:

    In 1991/92 and 1992/93 combined van basten scored
    27 non penalty goals+8 assists in 46 appearances:0.76
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/marco-van-basten/elfmetertore/spieler/74471
    https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_van_Basten


    During the same time frame batistuta Scored
    29 non penalty goals+13 assists in 59 appearances:0.71
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/gabriel-batistuta/elfmetertore/spieler/5959



    Bearing in mind as previously mentioned batistuta played in one of those seasons for a relegation zone team.
    And was only 23 years old which is at least 4 years before strikers generally peak




    It is true Batistuta had greater contributions for the NT pre 1994 playing a starring role in both Argentina's copa America wins

    But then all his ballon dor rankings came post 1994 which is obviously logical seeing as he entered his prime around this age (and the copa America isnt something anyways that has really held any sort of historical significance)

    i have no doubt batistuta would've scored considerably more had he actually been in his prime during the early 90s
    Van basten wasn't a generational outlier in terms of open play goals in Serie A
    That facts dont back that up
    Penalties accounted for 26% of his Serie A haul

    For Cristiano ronaldo in la liga it's 19%:
    61 pen out of 311 goals

    For Alan shearer in the premier league it's 20%
    52 pen out of 260 goals

    For Lionel Messi It's 13%
    55 pen out of 438 goals

    Michel platini an attacking midfielder who played in an even lower scoring era as van basten never dropped below 14 Serie A non penalty goals in a single season between 1983-85
    Van basten a striker never exceeded 16 non penalty Serie A goals

    platini in 83/84 did in fact score 17 non penalty Serie A goals
    Careca a striker/forward scored 18 non penalty goals in Serie A 88/89

    Don't tell me its difficult when numerous examples can be brought to the fore

    Van bastens other scoring competitors like vialli and serena were not special or even among the best of their day

    Serena and vialli never top scored in the UEFA cup or European cup

    Had a combined total of 21 NT goals

    Van basten wasn't exactly competing
    against Hugo Sanchez or zlatan ibrahimovic for the capocannoniere
    Or any other striker with some remote form of continental pedigree (voller and careca aside)

    A GOAT level scorer in his prime cannot be outscored by aldo Serena
    Not even once
    It can't happen

    The idea that van basten in top leagues was a comparable scorer to gerd muller,Cristiano,Messi,puskas is astonishingly laughable
    Van basten was a very good league striker in Serie A
    Among the best handful of strikers every season
    One with spectacular goals but not spectacular enough to overhaul the fact he Wasnt remarkable at assisting,ball carrying or scoring solo goals

    And it has to be emphasised van basten under the 21st century microscope would be viewed in exactly that manner

    Van basten has achievements beyond the league that separate him for this category of merely good strikers
    No doubt about that
    But it is a myth that van basten with modern day training techniques would be some league goal machine akin to Messi and Ronaldo

    Nothing he did in Serie A validates this

    For me to even begin entertaining that viewpoint van basten would have to be at least a ×3 capocannoniere leading vialli/Serena/voller in goals with at least a 5 open play goal margin
    Season in season out

    Van basten today and in his Milan guise who be a more aesthetically pleasing version of Robert lewandowski or prime Andriy shevchenco
    More injury prone and more clutch perhaps in tournaments
    But not more than this
     
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  2. Serpico

    Serpico New Member

    May 18, 2020
    IFFHS also put Stanley Matthews in the 11th spot...Too high for me. I prefer the two rankings made by FourFourTwo in the last five years:
    https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no1-diego-maradona of July 17
    1- Maradona
    2- Messi
    3- Pelé
    4- Cruyff
    5- Cristiano Ronaldo
    or
    https://www.fourfourtwo.com/gallery/50-greatest-footballers-all-time of March 2020
    1- Messi
    2- Maradona
    3- Pelé
    4- Cruyff
    5- Cristiano Ronaldo
     
  3. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1403 carlito86, Jun 4, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2020
    You know Pele destroyed the best teams of Italy in a way prime Maradona never got close to doing in Serie A

    see what he was doing to legendary inter and Benfica sides And tell me maradona could ever do this

    Pele was more unplayable against CL winners Benfica than Maradona was against the worst teams in Serie A history ( vs Lazio where he required a hand ball to score a rare Serie A hattrick)


    Maradona never did this or got close to doing this in
    Official club matches
    Friendlies
    Or even training matches

    Even if you say maradona WC 86 reached the highest peak over 7 matches
    Pele was at least one of the best performers in world cup history and his copa America 59 is at least 3 levels above any thing maradona did in 87 or 89

    Ossie ardiles called it right when he said technically maradona was possibly the best player ever but he was not the best performer over the course of his career

    Compared to Pele
    No way not even close

    Pele was a serial champion across all levels
    Against everyone he faced
    Official or friendly

    You can say he played in a spaghetti western era but no one in his era touches his pre 1965 achievements

    Pele scored 126 total goals in 1959 for God's sake and dearman said he was only supreme world class because his creative abilities became more developed at a later stage



    He scored 126 goals in 1 freaking year at 18 years old


    You know Paolo Rossi a ballon dor winner scored 134 goals in his entire club career?

    You know maradona scored 104 non penalty goals for Barcelona,Napoli and seville ?

    Maradona is universally considered to be a flawed genius
    None of those flaws are taken into consideration in any of those lists

    Maradona the Free role forward scored only 9 non penalty Serie A goals in his best season
    3 of those in 1 match against the 2nd worst team in Serie A history (Lazio 84/85)

    Passarella scored 6 non penalty goals in Serie A 85/86
    Maradona the 'unshackled ' forward was at his best worth only 3 more league goals than Passarella!!!!

    Listen to his own coach Ottavio bianchi
    "It would be a mistake to deploy Maradona in a merely tactical position," he revealed. "He must be left to express himself as best he can. He must be allowed to show his class, his characteristics. It's up to us to create a concrete block around him, to highlight these qualities."

    Maradona most likely had limited defensive responsibilities and was not required to track back as other typical midfielders

    Relieved of the duties of fighting for possession in midfield, Maradona was set loose on the attack. It was an approach that allowed the Argentine to maintain his fitness levels throughout the season and he became the focal point through which every move went - scoring 31 goals in 60 games for Napoli in his first two years at the club.

    Relived of defensive responsibilities he scored only 3 more non penalty goals at his best (1984/85 Serie A)
    Then the defender Passarella did at his best(1985/86)


    His inconsistencies
    Lapses in form in 85/86 (check the Dbs calcio ratings and how Salvatore bagni was considered equally influential)
    How maradona lost his will to play at 29 years old after Italia 90

    None of this is reflected in the analysis or popularity lists

    Just the same old shallow party lines
    Singlehandedly in 86.....
    Singlehandedly dragged napoli....

    Nice for football romantics but doesn't stand the scrutiny of hardcore analysis
     
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  4. Serpico

    Serpico New Member

    May 18, 2020
    His performances in World Cup weren't amazing. I saw Didí as the best player in the 1958 World Cup and Jairzinho or Muller as the best player in the 1970 World Cup. Also he was injured in 1962 and 1966. I saw his overall World Cup performance similar to Messi's performance. But the difference is that Messi maintains his level with his club a lot more seasons than Pelé, in domestic competition and international competition.
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    FourFourTwo in fact just copy pasted their list from Voetbal International (with some minor alterations at places). But of course, also that will not compute or register here.

    Control the megaphones, control the worldwide media discourse...
     
  6. Serpico

    Serpico New Member

    May 18, 2020
    The ranking from Voetbal:
    1. Lionel Messi [​IMG]
    2. Diego Maradona [​IMG]
    3. Johan Cruyff [​IMG]
    4. Pelé [​IMG]
    5. Alfredo Di Stéfano [​IMG]
    6. Zinedine Zidane [​IMG]
    7. Ronaldo [​IMG]
    It's a good ranking but I think that, in this top 7, Beckenbauer and CR7 can be in and Zidane and Ronaldo can be out.
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1407 carlito86, Jun 5, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2020
    Taking into account his complete body of work Pele was undoubtedly one of the best world cup performers in history

    When Messi can score even 1 World cup
    KO stage goal then we can start making comparisons

    Messi has nothing to do with this anyways

    Maradona pre 2000 was never considered above Pele
    7 games no matter how great cannot supersede
    Being a top 3 player in 2 world cups
    In 58 alongside didi and kopa
    In 70 alongside jairzinho and muller

    In 59 left the greatest copa America performance in history

    If we want to get technical maradona was unplayable in only 2 WC ko stage matches
    Belgium and England

    Pele was unplayable in at least 3
    France and Sweden in 58

    And Italy in 70

    Maradona was never ever really a man who decided finals (in a similar vein to ronaldinho perhaps)
    Maradona never scored a single goal in a world cup final
    Copa America final
    European cup final
    Copa libertadores final
    Uefa cup final

    Pele scored in 2 separate world cup finals and 1 copa America final
    That is just international level

    At club level
    No amount of revisionism or romanticism will change the facts

    Pele never played even 1 match for a European club team
    In spite of this Pele scored more vs heavyweights than Maradona did in 10 years for Barcelona,Napoli and seville

    A performance of the calibre of Pele vs benfica 62 or Milan 63 doesn't exist for maradona

    Maradona was never unplayable against the best club teams of his era
    Good to very good perhaps in some matches vs saachis Milan but not otherworldly




    Messi vs
    Madrid 10/11
    Manchester United 10/11
    Arsenal 09/10
    Madrid 16/17
    Bayern munich 14/15
    Juventus 14/15

    Maradona has non of those

    Ferenc puskas does
    Eusebio does
    Pele does
    Cristiano ronaldo does
    Alfredo di Stefano does
    Cruyff does
    Legitimate all time club legends do

    For the sake of discussion and off the top your head refer to 1
    Just 1 otherworldly performance he had against
    Milan
    Inter
    Juventus
    Bayern munich

    A hattrick of goals?
    A hattrick of assists?
    A cup winning goal?
    Any?

    If you have to refer to maradona vs Madrid 83/84 in a copa del Rey final then you have already proved my point for me
     
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  8. Serpico

    Serpico New Member

    May 18, 2020
    They played in different positions and in a different fooball, with a lot less goals. Only 2 great Maradona's matches in World Cup? He was unplayable vs Uruguay and Italy in 1986 and vs Brazil in 1990.
     
  9. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1409 carlito86, Jun 5, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2020
    I forgot about Uruguay (a R16 match)
    Ok
    Only 2-3 are KO matches at best

    Italy was groupstage match
    Maradona was unplayable there?
    Do you have examples of goals,GOAT level passes,dribbling runs maradona did here


    Brazil 90 was a tight match decided by a moment of great play(genius?)
    Maradona dribbled 2 players,(not 'the whole team' as some fans wish to think)

    held of a third and delivered a great through ball to canniga

    Messi
    That is the worst version of prime Messi can also do this in a KO match

    +
    The assist for di Maria that also included him dribbling past a player


    Besides this one action vs brazil maradona really was not unplayable
    Or at least I dont recall him being so


    It was 1 great moment that gave hope that maradona could maybe still have it in him
    Hopes were crushed when
    Maradona was saved by Goycochea in the SF
    And ineffectual vs West Germany


    As for maradona vs Pele


    3 amazing WC ko stage performances from the R16 to SF>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    3 goals in 3 world cup finals
    A hattrick in a WC semi final
    A goal in a copa America final
    MVP shortlist in 2 separate world cup editions
    MVP in a copa America

    Sounds logical to me
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  11. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Although this premier league season hasn't been finished, I have decided to add Sergio Aguero in top 50 strikers of all-time mainly due to his sustainable performance in domestic football. I choose Heleno De Freitas out of the list as his prime was very short and his number of qualified seasons seems below average.

    In 9x100 positional ranking list, I remove Yuri Voynov and Ante Zanetic as both has just 2 great seasons and made a few caps as well. Other removal are Mauro Silva and Laszlo Boloni. All of replacement are from 1930s like Jose Maria Minella, Ernesto Lazzatti, Gyula Lazar and Andrey Starostin.
     
  12. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
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  13. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #1413 msioux75, Jun 27, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2020
    It could be a long post, but I'll try to be concise.

    1930: I think Zischek, Sindelar, Nausch, Hiden were not first choices by 1930.
    So, I'll go as contenders: 1st Scotland -wembley wizards-; 2nd England, Hungary (Ferenvaros and Ujpest as Mitropa winners)

    1934: England and Austria (including Hiden, Nausch and Gschweidl)

    1938: I agree Argentina. Just, A.Cuello was past its best.

    1942: I agree England as contender. Hapgood and Bastin were past it.

    1950: I rank Hungary in the top group. I think, Lantos and Budai were not first choices, but add F.Szusza.
    Higher than Denmark, I'll rank Sweden, Argentina and England (having Neil Franklin)

    1954: For Sweden, Ake Johansson was not first choice. Svensson, Andersson and Parling weren't so great. I rank higher, Argentina and Brazil (Zizinho, Jair Rosa)

    1958: I agree Argentina. At this point, I consider Di Stefano as spanish, and Belén, not a starter, you might add Mouriño and Grillo.

    1966: Brazil with C.Alberto, Roberto Dias, Ademir da Guia, Amarildo, Jair da Costa.
    Were past it: Gilmar, D.Santos, Bellini, Garrincha.
     
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  14. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    #1414 Dearman, Jun 27, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2020

    First of all I admit that I try to collect all great names playing during the tournament time. Some are regrettably overlooked by coaches but some might have a decline performance in specific time. Anyway, in major tournament, the more experienced players are preferable to deal with the tremendous pressure.
    Also, in some fewer cases, the stars made their fame at tournament not a prospect player to shine.

    1930
    Austria : Sindelar was already 27 years old and it is his 5th year of caps, but he got only one opportunity in that year and it is interesting how would his performance been. Hiden played 4 games for Austria in 1930, I think he could make it but he was just 21 years old and he is lack of cumulative experience. Walter Nausch was at 24 years old and he played his nation in second year, he did not reach his prime yet but he could be a good choice. Zischek just played his first season but I'm even inquisitive if he could be shine because he did it well in 1931.

    Scotland : I think Scotland's strength is only forwards (Hughie Gallagher and Jimmy Mcgorry) and another star is David Meiklejohn. Alan Mortan with 37 years old already pass his prime.

    Hungary : The success of Hungarian club is a great signal for presumption of Hungarian national team competency. I see only Jozef Takacs and Istvan Alvar as a world-class players. Note that Tom Stevens names top 5 Mitropa Cup best players in 1930 without any Hungarian player.


    1934 : I agree I should identify Austria with Hiden, Nausch and Gschweidl.

    1942 : The point that pre-war players seems to have shorter longevity than post-war players in average. Hapgoods would be 33 years and 8 month years old. As the war was interrupted, no one know how long would he sustain his performance but at his age, there is some possibility that he would make it.
    Cliff Bastin was decline in 1939 but he could resume his performance in 1942 with his 30 years old as well.

    1950 : Sweden is first identified in top group but aside from Gre-No-Li, only Erik Nilsson is competitive. Argentina is also in a shortlist with players like Nestor Rossi, Norberto Mendez, Adoldo Pedernera, Felix Loustau, Alfredo Di Stefano, Angel Labruna but there is no top-class defender, wing-half and outside right so I think the team is clearly below level of Hungary. Sandor Szuc is a good choice to replace Lantos ?

    1954 : Argentina would be weak in winger and only Di Stefano, Grillo are offensive stars.

    1958 : Belen is a winger and I understand Grillo could play as inside forward only ?
     
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  15. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Hapgood was captain of England until February 1943.

    Bastin suffered an injury to his right leg during the 1938-39 season, from which he never fully recovered. He never played for England again, not being selected for any of the wartime internationals.
     
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  16. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Based on the research I've done, it's safe for me to declare Scotland the team to beat in 1930. They're not just about the forwards, even if that's their strong point. They have a selection of solid defenders, a good keeper in Jack Harkness and potential ATG in John Thomson. Jimmy McMullan I rated as the best halfback around, over Meiklejohn, and Jimmy Gibson another great player. Morton "past his prime" is comparable to Puskas or Di Stefano "past their prime", IMO.

    The Wunderteam doesn't emerge until the following year, and many of the key players aren't regulars in 1930. IMO, putting Austria in as #1 would be comparable to saying Spain were the best side in 2006, or France in 1994.
     
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  17. Dearman

    Dearman Member

    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Nat'l Team:
    Thailand
    Scotland was defeated by England 2-5 in 1930 with stars like Alex Jackson, Alan Morton and David Meiklejohn. England is seemingly a better candidate.
    I thought Austria did not send Sindelar, Smistik and Blum for almost entire matches in 1930 because majority of matches are friendly and Hugi Meisl wanted to make some experiments with other players. Upon 1930 continuing to 1932, Austria won Central European international club so the presumption is Austria has a high potential since 1930 but I remain think the team is inferior to Uruguay.

    All in all, I personally believe the obvious choices that turned history should be Argentina in 1946 and Hungary in 1950.
     
  18. victorcalello38

    Feb 28, 2017
    Club:
    Montevideo Wanderers FC
    #1418 victorcalello38, Aug 6, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2020
    Interesting. I recently did a similar exercise on the Argentine team in world cups.

    Basically it is about the players that for me should have played in these competitions for their level. They are two teams, the holders and the substitutes


    1958
    RDomínguez
    Lombardo Dellacha J.R.Delgado Vairo
    Mourinho
    Di Stefano Maschio
    Corbatta Angelillo Sivori

    Carrizo
    Jcgimenez Varacka A.Perez E.Gutierrez
    Rossi
    Pizutti Grillo
    Pentrelli Sanfilippo Belen


    ___________________________
    1962
    Roma
    Simeone Griffa Sacchi Marzolini
    Rattin O.Rossi
    Corbatta Di Stefano Sivori
    Sanfilippo

    Carrizo
    Sainz Navarro J.R.Delgado Vairo
    Guidi Pizutti
    Maschio Angelillo Belen
    Artime


    _________________________
    1966
    Roma
    Ferreiro Perfumo Albretch Marzolini
    Rendo Rattin E.Onega
    A.Rojas Artime Más

    Cejas
    Simeone Griffa J.R.Delgado Basile
    Pastoriza Telch Gonzales
    Solari D.Onega Sivori


    ___________________________
    1970
    Santoro
    Malbernat Perfumo Albretch Marzolini
    Pastoriza Pachamé E.Onega
    A.Rojas Artime Más

    Cejas
    Gallo Laraignee Piazza Heredia
    Brindisi Raimondo Babington
    Solari Yazalde Veron


    ____________________________
    1974
    Carnevali
    Wolff Perfumo Piazza Carrascosa
    Brindisi Telch Babington
    Housemann Yazalde Mas

    Fillol
    Pernia Sa Heredia Basile
    JJLopez Raimondo Alonso
    Ayala Bianchi Bochini


    _____________________________
    1978
    Fillol
    Wolff Pasarella Piazza Tarantini
    Ardiles Gallego Alonso
    Houseman kempes Bochini

    Gatti
    Olguin Sa Rezza Carrascosa
    JJLpez Marangoni Brindisi
    Maradona Bianchi Bertoni


    ________________________________
    1982
    Fillol
    Olguin Trossero Pasarella Tarantini
    Ardiles Gallego Alonso
    Maradona Kempes Bochini

    Gatti
    Olarticoechea Galvan Mouzo Garre
    Giusti Barbas Brindisi
    Valdano R.Diaz Bertoni


    _____________________________
    1986
    Fillol
    Clausen Ruggeri Pasarella Olarticoechea
    Valdano Giusti Batista Burruchaga
    Maradona R.Díaz

    Pumpido
    Cucciufo Brown Regenhardt Garre
    Trobbiani Gallego C.Henrique Bochini
    Borghi Gareca


    ____________________________
    1990
    Goycoechea
    F.Basualdo Monzon Ruggeri Sensini
    Caniggia Basualdo Batista Burruchaga
    Maradona R.Diaz

    Islas
    Cravioto Bauza Serrizuela Olarticoechea
    Latorre Troglio Redondo Marcico
    Acosta Balbo


    _____________________________
    1994
    Islas
    Caceres Ayala Sensini Chamot
    Simeone Redondo
    Caniggia Maradona Balbo
    Batistuta

    Goycoechea
    Zanetti Fabbri Trotta Cardozo
    G.Lopez Astrada
    Esnaider L.Rodriguez Ortega
    Acosta


    ______________________________
    1998
    Roa
    Zanetti Ayala Sensini Chamot
    Simeone Redondo Veron
    Ortega
    Lopez Batistuta

    Burgos
    Ibarra Caceres Samuel Sorin
    Cagna Almeyda Gallardo
    Riquelme
    Caniggia Crespo


    __________________________
    2002
    Bonano
    Zanetti Samuel Ayala Sorin
    Almeyda Veron
    Lopez Riquelme Ortega
    Crespo

    Burgos
    Ibarra Pochettino Pelegrino Placente
    Simeone Solari
    K.Gonzales Aimar Gallardo
    Batistuta


    _________________________
    2006
    Abondanzieri
    Zanetti Samuel Demichelis Sorin
    Veron Cambiasso
    Messi Riquelme Tévez
    Crespo

    Saja
    Coloccini Ayala Heiinze Clemente
    Mascherano LGonzales
    M.Rodríguez Aimar Palacio
    Saviola


    _________________________
    2010
    Romero
    Zabaleta Samuel Otamendi Heinze
    L.Gonzalez Mascherano
    Di Maria Messi Tévez
    Higuaín

    Andujar
    Jonas Demichelis Coloccini Clemente
    Cambiasso Gago
    M.Rodriguez Aimar Agüero
    Milito


    __________________________
    2014
    Romero
    Zabaleta Garay Otamendi rlRojo
    Gago Mascherano Di Maria
    Messi
    Aguero Higuaín

    Caballero
    Roncaglia F.Fernandez LLopez Más
    Biglia Yacob Álvarez
    Pastore
    Tevez M.Zarate


    ___________________________
    2018
    Rulli
    Mercado F.Mori Otamendi Tagliafico
    Paredes Locelso
    Di Maria Messi Ocampos
    Aguero

    Armani
    Buffarini Garay Kanemann Acuña
    Banega Marcone
    Dybala Pastore A.Correa
    Icardi
     
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  19. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
  20. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Nice teams!!!

    I have doubts with some roles: Sivori (LW), AC.Rojas (RW), Bochini (LW), Valdano (MF), Caniggia (MF), Cáceres (RB), Balbo (MF)
     
  21. victorcalello38

    Feb 28, 2017
    Club:
    Montevideo Wanderers FC
    No, unfortunately they were deleted and I lost the images
     
  22. victorcalello38

    Feb 28, 2017
    Club:
    Montevideo Wanderers FC
    Yes, I am aware of it. However, I wanted to prioritize the quality of the players over the roles. Like Spain in Euro 2012:

    Casillas
    Arbeloa Pique Ramos Alba
    X.Alonso Busquets Xavi
    Silva Fabregas Fabregas

    PD: I've seen Fernando Caceres play right back a few times
     
  23. victorcalello38

    Feb 28, 2017
    Club:
    Montevideo Wanderers FC
    Sorry

    Casillas
    Arbeloa Pique Ramos Alba
    X.Alonso Busquets Xavi
    Silva Fabregas Iniesta
     
  24. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Pity!! Did no member of this forum rescue that job? Fortunately, I keep a ranking that you made of the 10 best footballers by position and by ranking since 1930, but to which I am referring, you can only read the substitute players of each year. Maybe someone saved it on your computer's hard drive and it can be recovered; it is very valuable information.
     
  25. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Of course stuff like this is prone to get repped by the always anti dutch Gregthenazi (way before I joined this board he was spreading poison), but you should look at the scoring averages, and then compare it with other world class strikers of that time like Klinsmann or Careca.

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifica_dei_marcatori_della_Serie_A

    Only a few since the 1950s compare (0.65). 25 league goals was also not seen since the early 1960s.
     

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