This article got my attention this week. Some interesting issues mentioned including insurance- who pays for the testing, and costs of quarantine, and potential treatment? Assuming less kids will now have full insurance, this will fall to the schools. We are all watching these P5 colleges bring kids back to campus and hoping for the best. If there's a big mistake, it could affect all of us. Questions Every Parent Of A College Athlete Should Ask Before Their Kids Return To Practice https://www.forbes.com/sites/karenw...uld-ask-before-their-kids-return-to-practice/
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Even Chile, Brazil, New Zealand, Australia and Argentina have a university or 2 that's ranked higher than most US mid-level colleges. Maybe you know one kid from a country like Burkina Faso (with no internationally ranked university) that was awarded scholarship $ from their government to go to a university anywhere in the world - and they were so brilliant that they could balance soccer with studying something like science, medicine or engineering in a foreign language at a mid-level US college.
Here you go. Initial testing gets 3 at OSU. One said he was at a protest. That would be a 2% infection rate. Will this be an accurate sample? Of athletes or students generally? Time will tell. https://oklahoman.com/article/56638...19-positive-tests-additional-move-ins-delayed
That is so scary. How can these schools allowing students to come to campus? Don’t they understand how dangerous this virus is?? We need to shutdown the entire country to save lives.
CAA makes a commitment to be non-committal. Not sure how to even process this. Will the CAA even have a women's soccer league schedule this fall? https://caasports.com/news/2020/5/2...for-olympic-sports-scheduling-in-2020-21.aspx
I love it when folks like ACrom come on here and Contribute Nothing! Are you really getting an ego boost from typing on an anonymous forum? about a deadly disease? don't read it and don't contribute if you don't have something to add. Please. Some of these decisions are literally life and death - for anyone older and at risk who gets the virus, older coaches, faculty, the janitor. And for the institutions who may not survive. Heard a Dr describe even 2% like a mine field. Imagine the soccer or football field has a dozen mines hidden beneath the surface. Would you still play? It's only 2% of the surface. But its not a bomb, it's a virus that can infect your family, boyfriend, roommates, teachers, without you even knowing it. Maybe something to think about. Marshall also tested and had 2 students and 1 Staff positive so that 2% number could become accurate. Here's a great article about testing decisions. Some FB schools are NOT testing unless you have symptoms. The OSU and Marshall kids would have been missed in that case so the odds are there IS active virus going undetected in some of these summer football camps. https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/02/coronavirus-covid-testing-college-football-return
Perhaps the reason the Corona virus is so hard to control without a vaccine is that a relatively high number of people that have been infected are asymptomatic (CDC now estimates 30% or more) and thus they are unwittingly infecting others. No symptoms, but they are highly contagious. Thus, only testing those with symptoms isn't going to prevent spread within a particular population such as a sports team or on a campus. It gives a false impression of safety to check temperatures upon entry to a classroom, or training session as this does nothing to catch asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic cases. The school district I teach in is trying to figure out how to get students back in the building - part time - in August when the school year normally starts. They have talked about taking temperatures at the door. Again, this gives a false sense of security. No, as for college soccer, how about moving the season to the spring thus giving everyone more time to figure out how to make things safe for all involved? And perhaps we'll get really lucky and there will a viable vaccine by then.
So if 2% are actually testing positive for COVID, imagine how many would test positive for antibodies (if testing was reliable). It would surely be a much, much higher percentage. The virus is much more prevalent than people are willing to admit
All good points. The SI article I linked above is long and discusses some of this. The asymptomatic rate (of those that get the virus) rages from 25-50% but those are still infectious people often without knowing it. Interesting that they also talk about how college kids can't really be trusted. They lie about concussion symptoms to play, lying about a cough or temperature, or how many days you were REALLY in quarantine is a problem. That's why it's all about testing. Some in the article say test twice a week. NHL said they will test every night. Most of these college players will work out and live in groups of 6-10 in 'pods' like a family group, so those kids would be subject to quarantine and more testing after a positive result, not the whole team. WVU and some Cal schools have announced 100% testing of all students for fall classes to start. Well 2% of 26K at WVU is about 500 students in quarantine on day 1. Many are from NY/NJ. That seems crazy to deal with in a college environment. The 'all play in the Spring' model is being discussed as an option, already adopted by those Cal d2s I believe but they don't have football and have Cal weather. Some of these D1 football schools are desperate for that FB revenue. I guess we are about to see how desperate. FYI- PAC12 has just said all players/staff will be tested for virus and antibodies for June 15 return to campus. So, we'll see some antibody results there. LSU is testing for only antibodies apparently. Bowling Green alumni came up with 1.5 million to save their baseball program.
Why, apart from football financial reasons, have Fall sports? One thing weighing in favor of starting now towards Fall sports is that acclimitization has to begin somewhere, to see if it will work. Acclimitazation is the word that is being used to describe the process of bringing students onto campus, with questionnaires, conduct agreements, tests, living and eating arrangements, contact tracing, quaranteening, return to activity, and so on. They are starting with football (and basketball, I do not understand that one) and then moving to other Fall sports. They will be learning how the process works, starting with the first football players arriving, and will move on from there to the other Fall sports, all in advance of the massive influx of non-athlete students. As a reason for starting something now, that makes sense, rather than having all students arrive and start the process at the same time. I think it is obvious there are big question whether acclimitazation will work, meaning whether they actually will be able to implement and continuously carry out the procedures the schools have adopted. There is, however, an incentive, which is the potential for teams to lose their entire seasons, or at least major portions of them, if players test positive and they and other teammates as a result need to be quarantined so they are unable to play. It is going to be very difficult, and more difficult in some locales than others.
the reason for starting with football and Basketball is easy. Football is the largest income stream for schools. Basketball represents $7Billion dollars for the NCAA coffers for March Madness. It is by far their largest source of revenue, accounting fo something like 90% if you include all income streams. we could all be flopping around like landed fish and the NCAA won’t miss another March tournament. Maybe they think basketball players will get herd immunity by getting sick before the season.
NAIA pushes back first practice (aug. 15) , start of competition (Sep. 5 but only with 3 weeks of practice, first), and reduces number of matches from 18 to 14, like D2. Meanwhile, NCAA stands firm that start date of practice and competition will be the same for Division I.
it might, but according to a circulating email that is not under consideration currently. also, NCAA will not mandate (rather put out recommendations on) return to play protocols or standardize testing procedures. All is being left to the institution in accordance with state and local rules.
It looks like the D1 schedule is going to be how they’ve originally had it from the start to finish after all with Aug 5th start and regular playoff schedule.
I should correct this. Some schools are starting with football and basketball. Others are starting with football and other Fall sports.
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A few SEC schools already have their soccer teams back on campus and a few others have released dates to bring theirs back. Looks like SEC is gonna try to have the season end and everything wrapped up by Thanksgiving as well to not have students back until January (from what I’ve heard)