Coaching Philosophies and the Gregg Berhalter System

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  1. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    What charitable words would you use to describe Yueill, today’s Bradley and trapp? Off the top of my head

    - possession focused
    - efficient
    - tactical

    these are very different from what he said he wanted and far from dynamic.
     
  2. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    has morales done something to offend you? You don’t think he fits what Berhalter described? I wouldn’t start him but his game fits that description almost to a T.
     
  3. Excellency

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    Nov 4, 2011
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    classic Berhalter

     
  4. tomásbernal

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    Sep 4, 2007
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    Well, Adams and McKennie also have a lot to offer moving up the field, so having a 3rd guy that stays back (even if he's not as good a defender) allows both of them to do that more frequently.
     
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  5. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    No, but when I think of "dynamic" I think Holmes and Pomykal are much more so. Perhaps I've just never seen enough of Morales, but from clips I've seen of all 3 of these players, Holmes and Pomykal strike me as the "dynamic" ones, and Morales as a solid but uncreative player.
     
  6. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    lol. Look at the definition of what Berhalter wants and tell me that you don’t see morales fitting that. Holmes and Pomykal are both unproven minor leaguer - even with the USMNT, Morales was a contender for MoTM for us in a terrible team effort vs Mexico due to his dynamic play.
     
  7. tomásbernal

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    Sep 4, 2007
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    I've read (and re-read and re-read and finally understood the syntax of) what Berhalter said. I stand by my position that, by my observation, Morales doesn't fit the profile of a "dynamic" player. But, the more discussion I read here the more it seems that people think that the Berhalter 6 will still be on the field. If that's the case, then Morales doesn't fit that description either. That's not to say that I don't think he'd be a fine player to try at the 6, with Adams and McKennie in front of him. I just don't think he's got the passing or offensive chops to fit either profile.
     
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  8. Paul Berry

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    Holmes and Pomykal are unproven but Reyna, who hasn't played a full match, is a core player, right?
     
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  9. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Assuming international matches don't start up until next year, it's reasonable to project Reyna as a 'core player'.
     
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  10. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    yep - as he’s got a dozen games at a far higher level than any minor league player.

    holmes and Pomykal: zero minutes and games.
     
  11. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    so you don’t think that morales game is about:

    A player who can:

    - cover ground
    - press in a 4-3-3
    - [be] aggressive
    - win balls
    - arrive in the penalty box


    have you ever watched him play?

    you don’t think he covers ground and is aggressive?
     
  12. tomásbernal

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    Yes, sure. I still don't think he's a "dynamic" player. But I guess that the 3rd player in a 4-3-3 doesn't really need to be so dynamic as the other 2 (who definitely need to be truly "dynamic" for such a setup to work). He's as "dynamic" as Jackson Yueill, though I think Yueill is a better controller at the 6 than Morales is. I think that Morales would be competing with Adams and McKennie primarily for minutes.
     
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  13. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
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    yueill is nowhere near the athlete or as dynamic as morales. He’s also only shown his “controller” abilities at a lower level.
     
  14. tomásbernal

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    I like what I've seen of Yueill with the NT. To me he's miles better than Trapp or Bradley, as a starting point for discussion. He looks to be a thoughtful player who is constantly assessing the field in front of him and makes good passes. He looks like he has a good understanding of tactics. A smart player, basically. This isn't to say Morales is a "dumb player". I just like what I see with Yueill, and he's young enough (23) to improve significantly still. He's playing for a very good coach, which has probably helped him excel. Perhaps my view of him is colored by the fact that I see in him the style I personally employ (though, quite clearly, not ever remotely close to the level--and I've aged [and weighted] out of any chance anyway). I just like the way he plays, sees the field, is aware of mid and long-range passes that other players don't seem to see. Morales is not that player, from what I've seen of him.
     
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  15. DHC1

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    that’s fine But he’s not dynamic. See post 3724 for a better description that doesn’t match what Berhalter said, even if you prefer something different.
     
  16. tomásbernal

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    Sep 4, 2007
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    Yeah, I'm not arguing that Yueill meets the "dynamic" aspect laid out by Berhalter in the quote we've all been discussing. He doesn't. But he's more dynamic than Morales in my book.

    I don't know enough about tactics to have a worthwhile opinion of what 3rd midfielder should be paired with McKennie and Adams in a 4-3-3 if Adams isn't the 6. I think Adams should be the 6, personally, because I think he's dynamite. And, hence, I wish the discussion would shift towards the more forward players instead of what you and I have been discussing re: Morales and Yueill--the more backfield players.
     
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  17. Patrick167

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    May 4, 2017
    @Bob Morocco wrote an excellent piece long before this article and seems to be ahead of even Gregg on this. One issue he highlighted is that Dest and Pulisic like to attack the same way from the same half space. Dest being right footed, might not be able to provide width and then you have Pulisic far out on the touchline, away from the box. Robinson on the left solves this if he is up to it. There are other trade offs for Ream.

    Bob thought Gregg was going to maintain the 3-2-2-3 attacking shape; which isn't touched on in the article I don't believe.

    I think Reyna's emergence is a catalyst for much of this change from Gregg.
     
  18. Patrick167

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    May 4, 2017
    That is Tenorio's guess at the lineup. During the discussion he suggested Adams at the 6. Steskal had the strange idea of Lletget at the 6; which probably just means he is friends with him and was trying to keep him relevant.
     
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  19. Patrick167

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    May 4, 2017
    Holmes.

    Morales is disruptive, but I wouldn't consider him dynamic tbf. He is like Delaney versus Can on Dortmund. If the role is a sub role to hold a lead, I would much rather see Morales coming in than Roldan.
     
  20. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
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    May 4, 2017
    Gregg seems very sensitive to talking about dropping players. One example, he went out of his way to say he didn't call Omar either in September, when asked why he left Bradley and Altidore off the roster. Before this quote, he talked about what a good job those guys are doing (Y/B/T) and how much they learned. Remember, he is only "leaning" towards changing the midfield.

    But it is possible Gregg thinks of Yuiell that way. I don't watch SJ games and he might be more goal dangerous there. I really don't think Adams is all that goal dangerous and is better up the field where he can counter press or recover clearances. At NYRB, he was awesome at sitting 20 yards off the penalty spot and just pinning the other team in. At RBL, he is mostly in the half space and is asked more to recycle possession.

    Dropping Yuiell allows for Lletget/Holmes/Pomykal to be on the field. All are goal dangerous, not sure Lletget checks the other boxes.
     
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  21. yurch10

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    Feb 13, 2004
    So if you're looking to get one of those 3 on the field, I assume you are ok benching either Reyna or Morris?
     
  22. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

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    May 4, 2017
    Analyzing what Gregg is going to do versus what I would do is not the same. Gregg is making baby steps forward and backward from last January and just now leaning towards what he should have done from the beginning.

    Gregg also talked about forwards that can get in behind. Sometimes I think Gregg just can't commit fully to it and is going half way. You can't play this positional possession game with Long or Zardes, for example. But he won't drop them and played them the most at their positions.
     
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  23. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    There’s limited point in predicting what Gregg will do unless you overlay your critique of it.

    going back to the first post, do we pick our best players and build around them or impose a top down system?

    it would be a problem if any of our core players style and position were incongruous but we don’t have that problem. Our problem is that Gregg insisted on playing a system that doesn’t fit our best players at all.

    his recent comments seem to indicate that he’s keeping the system
     
  24. DHC1

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    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    How does playing Yueill as a distributing regista make the following players better:

    - Pulisic
    - Adams
    - reyna
    - Weston
    - dest
    - Brooks?
     
  25. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    I see. I guess I don't see Egg doing that, since he's shown very little interest in Holmes or Pomykal at this point, or in not using the integral #6 position to sit between our CBs and the two best DMids we've ever had (yes, PP has been injured). I also don't understand how Lleget is "goal dangerous", unless you're talking about his New Years Resolutions. In his defense, I haven't seen him much, but his stats don't show much danger on the field.
     

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