Cal North extends soccer suspension

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by NewDadaCoach, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    What the hell has happened to society. We've become so pussified and unreasonable. Ridiculous. Sad.
    People staying home and getting out of shape is a risk to health! The avg person has gained 5 lbs. Obesity is a big risk. The virus is weakened in sunlight and it dissipates in the outdoor air. Exercise strengthens the immune system!
    I'll bet you if everyone went outside and played soccer we've have less illness from the virus!

    Many pro athletes have contracted coronavirus but I don't think a single one has gotten so much as a cold. Most don't feel a thing. We need to get our kids outside playing!

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  2. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    With all due respect, you don't need organized activities in order to stay in shape.
     
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  3. TheKraken

    TheKraken Member

    United States
    Jun 21, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fully agree. Throughout history we have quarantined the sick. Now they are quarantining the healthy and society is falling to pieces. All the arbitrary rules and regulations make little sense and are oppressive.
     
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  4. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So go outside with your kids & friends and play soccer.
     
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  5. SuperHyperVenom

    Jan 7, 2019
    @NewDadaCoach - isn't your kid like U8's? Relax. The US is dealing with a lot bigger issues atm.
     
  6. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    #6 NewDadaCoach, Jun 2, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 2, 2020
    He just turned 6.
    I signed him up for a spring academy. Then Corona hit. They cancelled it and haven't issued refunds. Meanwhile, we still don't know when or if anyone will be allowed to play this year. What about the financial devastation to these organizations? Not to mention to US soccer as a whole. Setting the nation back.
    I go out and play with my kid.
    It's just rediculous that kids can't play organized soccer and no one knows if it will be allowed this year. It's up in the air. People need to make plans.
    The risk is practically zero.
    We used to have chicken pox parties for kids; now we shut schools and all sports for a disease far less harmful.
    Look at snow days - used to be very few, maybe one or two, and winter storms were worse back then. Now it's like 5-10 days of snow days. Point being, we've become super weak and lame. How the hell are we as a society going to deal with a dangerous future when are such wussies.
    At this rate, all sports will probably be outlawed forever because kids might get hurt! oh no!
     
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  7. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    We do. It's just frustrating that I can't make plans. I don't know if the spring academy that was cancelled, if they will resume. I was gonna do spring academy and then a fall league. Now they might overlap or they might both be cancelled. It's just dumb, the whole thing is dumb. Let the kids play some damn soccer! No one is gonna die from Covid from kids playing soccer! Show me the evidence!
     
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  8. illinisoccer

    illinisoccer Member

    Aug 15, 2005
    Chicago, IL
    Looks up some skills on YouTube and have him work on those. He is 6! He is not missing anything. Most of those other 6 year olds will be picking daisies
     
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  9. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    I appreciate your frustration -- believe me, I am highly relieved that some of my son's high school teammates started doing their own small-scale practices this week. But very little is really known about the illness other than there is no vaccine, there are very limited treatment options, and in just a few months more than 100,000 (granted, mostly older) Americans have died. But a few things to consider:

    -- This is from one of the few studies completed so far, about percentages of children in China who developed the illness and how severely they were sick: "Younger children are at higher risk of running into trouble. Among children less than a year old, 10.6% had severe or critical disease. For children ages 1 to 5, that number was still high at 7.3%. It dropped to 4.2% for 6-to-10-year-olds, 4.1% for 11-to-15-year-olds, and 3% for those 16 and older." An article on the study is here: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...-us-about-covid-19-and-children-2020032319279

    -- What doesn't get talked about much are the longer-term effects of the illness. Again, not that much is known, but there are a number of articles out talking about long-term cardiac, lung, and potential neurological damage. And a group of adolescents have developed this: https://www.npr.org/sections/health...e-in-kids-and-teens-likely-linked-to-covid-19

    -- Some kids live with grandparents or have older parents. Even if the kids never get sick, they could drag the illness back home to people who might not fare well.

    -- Soccer clubs and associations can and will be sued if people start getting sick. It's a fact. One lost lawsuit would wipe out the club my son grew up in, and then some. Insurance that covers this, as I understand it, is something new for clubs and associations and, based on what IYSA has passed around in Illinois, comes with a lot requirements about what you can and can't do if you want to be covered.

    Again, I share your frustration, and generally feel like if kids gathered outside in small groups they're probably OK. But try to be patient -- and keep getting out and kicking a ball with your son as often as you can and enjoy it. As others have said, at that age, he isn't falling behind.
     
  10. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Having league play means that adults have to leave the house too. Coaches, referees, etc. Uniforms have to be sorted & distributed, etc.

    I agree that being outdoors seems to be very low-risk, perhaps negligible.

    That's why I said--fine a field, bring your kids, invite some of their teammates, play some soccer.
     
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  11. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
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    United States
    Should've read your answer before I posted above--well said.
     
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  12. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    Does anyone else get @CornfieldSoccer and @bigredfutbol confused? I read cornfield and I mentally think of the Nebraska Cornhuskers and when I read big red I mentally see the Nebraska Cornhuskers. It doesn't help me when they post in the same thread.
     
  13. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    EVERY sport is cancelled. It's happening around the WORLD. Claims that it's "setting the nation back" is nothing but hyperbole.
    Financial devastation to the organizations? If they have to fold, another one will take it's place.
    Really? Do they? I have two that should be playing for their HS this year, assuming they have a season. They both lost their spring seasons, which would have included multiple showcases for DS, just as he's gearing up for his college search (rising Junior). Missing one "season" (or two) is not the end of the world.
    Really? Chicken Pox killed (on average) 100-150 people/year. Source
    CV19 has killed 100 THOUSAND in three months. Please find a better comparison.
    Safety standards change. I never wore a seatbelt in a car, and I remember when I was small riding in the front seat between two adults. Then seatbelts became mandatory, as did child safety seats. And I followed all of those procedures.
    More hyperbole.
     
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  14. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Nope.
    Sorry.
     
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  15. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    #15 bigredfutbol, Jun 3, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2020
    Nebraskans all look alike.
     
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  16. TheKraken

    TheKraken Member

    United States
    Jun 21, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No it hasn't. Mommy Birx even admitted they are counting any death that occurs while one tests positive for COVID. This included gunshot wounds, heart attacks, cancer patients, etc. High death numbers on multicolor graphics get people scared. Fear sells and that is what the MSM does for it's business.
     
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  17. CornfieldSoccer

    Aug 22, 2013
    #17 CornfieldSoccer, Jun 3, 2020
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 13, 2020

    FWIW, we've never been spotted in the same place at the same time, in Nebraska or otherwise.
     
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  18. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Nah, I even read an article yesterday saying that one state said their COVID deaths are underrepresented. Even if they believe a death is COVID related but the person has not been tested for the virus they don't count it as one.
     
  19. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    If someone has a bad heart and then comes down with covid, would they live longer without covid? And go ahead and find stats on how many gunshot victims were counted as covid victims.

    Even if you want to say half of the deaths are "true", that's still 50K in three months vs 100 in a YEAR. Bad analogy.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    #20 bigredfutbol, Jun 3, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2020
    Don't blow our cover.
     
  21. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    #21 NewDadaCoach, Jun 3, 2020
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2020
    I'm talking about kids. Maybe one or two kids have died from Covid, the number is statistically immaterial. Kids have a higher chance of dying from many other things.
    The avg age of death is 80 and most of them already had 2 existing conditions. So you have to be in very bad shape to die from Covid, in which case you should be careful anyhow (ie even if Covid didn't exist) because some other viral or bacterial pneumonia could wipe you out.

    A much bigger risk to kids playing sports is the actual injuries then do encounter. There's a chance your kid could break their neck playing a sport - so cancel all sports? Are you gonna let them play?
    Every year I hear of a kid, usually in high school (granted it's usually it's football-gridiron), who dies from heat exhaustion or neck injury, or is left paralyzed. Yet we don't shut it down. Why not? Soccer is a safer but plenty of sprained ankles and torn ACL's and other leg and knee injuries. And yes occasional head/neck injuries. I remember in high school I went up for a header and the challenger had to be carried off with a neck brace and stretcher.

    This is what waivers are for. Just add to the waiver "your kid might die of Covid; and they might give you Covid and you and your entire family might die. You agree to hold XYZ Soccer Club harmless of any liability arising from Covid". If you don't agree then you don't play! That's how it's done now. Waivers essentially say, hey your kid could die and you accept that risk.
     
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  22. TheKraken

    TheKraken Member

    United States
    Jun 21, 2017
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    No, but most were going to die soon anyways. The percentage of total COVID "deaths" in my state related to nursing homes is 56%. On top of that, 91% of all COVID deaths in my state happened to people over 60. Older people have pre-existing conditions and that is who it kills. The media is just fear mongering that kids will die from it if they go back to school or sports. Perfectly healthy 18 year olds die from influenza every year. No different than a few with COVID I'm sure. The vast majority will be fine, so I'm not drinking their Kool-Aid anymore. Time to open everything up.
     
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  23. smontrose

    smontrose Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Aug 30, 2017
    Illinois, NW Suburb
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If people are going to continue to keep this type of restriction on their kids, better find a good therapist/psychiatrist. That's no sh1t.
     
  24. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    And the parents that need to bring the kids to practices and games? I agree kids are in little danger from Covid. But missing a season is not going to make that much of a difference in their development ESPECIALLY if they're working "on their own." "Back in the day", there wasn't as many organized sports. Kids got together and played.

    Waivers aren't worth the paper they're printed on if the organization doesn't take "reasonable steps" to avoid injury.
     
  25. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    SMH. All I'm saying is comparing chickenpox to Covid is not valid.

    And again, go ahead and send your kids out to play. Why do they need to wear matching jerseys and socks? Why do they need refs?

    Do I think we've gone further than what we need to? Yes. But, better that than not do enough.

    Do you really believe losing one season (especially at 6yo as the OP's son is) of ORGANIZED sports is really that big of a deal?
     
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