BLM/Police Reform protests

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  1. superdave

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    Yes.

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  2. Yoshou

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    Very much so. The Seattle PD has been very, very bad with handling mass protests for at least 20 years. The first that I can remember was the Battle of Seattle in 1999 where anti-globalists shutdown the WTO conference in Seattle. The tear gas was so heavy in Seattle that it was actually getting into the conference center and hotels where the WTO members were meeting.

    Speaking of which.. Here's a photo of Seattle after the police finished clearing out an area of protestors last night.. The white smoke is tear gas.

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  3. The Jitty Slitter

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  4. charlie15

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    So you reducing the hundred of peaceful demonstrations that list above? SMFH.
     
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  5. The Devil's Architect

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    That's why Karens call the police at the drop of a hat on seeing a black person that doesn't scurry away in fear of their shrieking faux distress calls.

    I mean, the Tulsa Race Massacre started because a black man either whistled at a white woman, or accidentally stepped on her foot leaving an elevator
     
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  6. Yoshou

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    Again.. This happened before the looting started. Seattle does have a pretty active black bloc (anarchists) group operating in the area (lots of bored affluent whites here) but regardless of what else was going on, no police officer should be spraying kids with pepper spray
     
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    #182 bostonsoccermdl, Jun 2, 2020
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    Agreed, that goes without saying.


    edit: I missed your earlier post about it happening before the situation deteriorated...
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    You and I discussed this a year or so ago, and what I am curious about is why you thought it wouldn't come to this given your life experiences?
     
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  9. NORML

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    Is the phrase "out-state" just a Minnesota thing? When Minnesotan's say "out-state" they mean the rural or outer portion of the state. Wasn't really talking about outside influence but with how connected we have all become, there are not many local issues that do not get national our out of state attention.
     
  10. The Devil's Architect

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  11. superdave

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  13. y-lee-coyote

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    What is their to prove? Floyd got killed in Minnesota. the governor is a dem and the mayor is a dem. That mayor allowed a culture within the police department that led directly to Mr Floyd's death. It has been mentioned up thread why, but that doesn't change what happened or the ineffectual leadership that allowed that culture to thrive.

    I have known the Clinton's since before Mena was ever heard of. In the ensuing years there have been an unusually large number of their high profile adversaries that have met an untimely demise. I apologized for offending you, since we were having an otherwise decent conversation I did not want to derail that.

    As an aside Bill's regret over America's inaction during the Rwandan genocide due to the fallout over blackhawk down, has caused him to spearhead some great things in that country. Those things are helping those survivors, anybody can make a mistake, but admitting them and trying to make amends has redeemed him greatly in their eyes and by extension my eyes, but Hillary....
     
  14. y-lee-coyote

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    I did not know that is what that meant.
     
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  16. soccernutter

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    You do understand that this protest is about the toxic police that 10 year old Black and brown boys and girls see every day, right? Are you going to condemn those parents?
     
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  17. charlie15

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  18. Moishe

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    Because deep down inside I genuinely believed that human beings and most Americans are sick and tired of violence. We’ve literally spent 20 years watching young men die in wars that evolved into sectarian violence. You’d think people were paying attention.

    Politicians pandering, attorney general’s at the state level trying to make everyone happy and a POTUS that is a walking piece of shit.

    The belief that voting Trump out of office will start reconciliation is naive. He’s only responsible for the past three years of this shit. The issues go much deeper than Trump.

    We may see a “truce” if you will but our institutions and political system guarantees change is still a ways off.

    @soccernutter and I have had this conversation before. Violence begets more violence. Buckle up America this will get worse.
     
  19. diablodelsol

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    agree

    but let’s see if it applies in a week or two
     
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  20. Moishe

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    It won’t.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Well there's the Katrina-gazing

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    And many thousands of brown people in the Mideast. But I guess he's still graded on a curve.
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    The trouble with this kind of analysis is that institutional racism cannot be fixed just be electing the right mayor or president.

    Having a just mayor or president can help bring change just like we've seen if you compare Obama to Trump. But the idea the mayor can simply change the culture of the police force via politics is far fetched.

    For one thing, stopping these kinds of brutal killings requires police to be held to account by the criminal law process - and that is not something the mayor can control.
     
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  23. JamesA

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    If anything, it just highlights how ********ing vile, narcissistic and divisive Trump is.
     
  24. soccernutter

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    https://www.themarshallproject.org/...e-failed-to-adopt-reforms-remove-bad-officers

    State Attorney General Keith Ellison said he is well aware the state has long-standing policing challenges. “The reforms thus far have been halting, inadequate, and just put it on the shelf until we get to the next tragedy,” he said. “Without tragedies to keep propelling it, it gets ignored after a while.”

    Ellison said that it will take cultural and political change to fix the relationship between police and the communities in Minnesota, but that policy fixes can help. The COVID-19 pandemic stalled the progress of a working group on “police-involved deadly force encounters,” which Ellison leads alongside the state’s public safety commissioner. In February, the group released 28 recommendations including new training standards and independent investigations into the use of deadly force.

    But many of the suggested changes require the state legislature’s approval. If the recent past is any guide, they are unlikely to gain much traction. Since 2015, elected leaders have proposed more than a dozen police reform bills, but failed to pass or substantially advance any of them. Several of the failed bills would have overhauled statewide standards for when cops can use force, and set up independent investigations for fatal incidents. Another would have funded training on racial bias and de-escalation for officers in the state’s larger departments.

    Also

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...3ba110-a1e0-11ea-9590-1858a893bd59_story.html

    [John Klassen, a civil rights attorney] said the department has gotten better, recruiting a more diverse force, but still struggles to jettison troubled officers. Experts and activists blame the powerful police union.

    Harteau said that while unions are necessary to push for benefits, the police union in Minneapolis fought her on things such as imposing discipline and terminating officers.
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    Or an SRO.
     

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