Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

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  1. Iranian Monitor

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    If you have trouble reading, that is your problem. The article I cited speaks for itself and doesn't need your spin to say something else.
     
  2. stanger

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    No, I read just fine, I just don't read much of what you post.

    TL;DR
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    He obviously gets paid by the word. So don't crimp his hustle
     
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  4. Iranian Monitor

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  5. Iranian Monitor

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    As for the American people, while I am sure most of them wouldn't be able to locate Iran in a map despite 40 years of constant propaganda they have been exposed to, and even though there is no doubt they have (and should have) other things to worry about than Iran, unfortunately their attitudes towards Iran aren't exactly as being suggested here. At least, not based on the polls that have been conducted to date.

    Not that I like this to be the case, but the effort to pretend it isn't is simply an effort by some who are most active in promoting these attitudes to make sure nothing changes. Others who, rightly, think Iran should not be a major issue for the US, are then often basically duped into confusing the two issues. In other words, those who prefer Iran not be the obsession it has been with the US, are basically silenced into imagining that by failing to recognize the problem, and by not raising their voice about it, the problem goes away!

    These are the numbers I found just through a simple google search, mostly from even before Trump and his "maximum pressure campaign' and all the other issues that were the subject of the OP in this very thread!

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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Shouldn't you be reporting on the 2nd outbreak?
     
  7. roby

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    Hey.....no fair! I conceded first!! :(
     
  8. stanger

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    Is it funny when an Iranian chastises non-Iranians for not knowing Iran and then has the audacity to start to tell Americans about America?

    Not sure if you knew this IM, but Americans are able to get information from all over the world, and not just when the government says it's OK to do so.

    In light of that information, I know Iran has shut off the internet for the general population in the past for various reasons, but you seem to not have had this issue.

    Why is that?
     
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  9. Mani

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    Neocons worried about a new world order emerging...


    The big four – China, Russia, Turkey and Iran – are poised to exploit and emerge stronger. Where once George Bush Sr. spoke of a new world order, now these countries want to bury that US world order amid the chaos.
     
  10. Mani

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    #1860 Mani, Jun 2, 2020
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    Maybe because unlike people like you, who can’t speak a word of Persian, never been to Iran, and are completely clueless about Iran, but pretend to be informed about Iranian affairs from reading a few sensationalist headlines spoon-fed to them by the MSM, IM actually speaks English, has lived in America most of his life and having a law degree, he probably knows more about the U.S system and constitution than you do.
     
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  11. stanger

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    I don't claim to know anything about Iran.

    And considering I hold a degree in Political Science, I'm pretty confident in my knowledge of the US System and Constitution. :thumbsup:
     
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  12. Mani

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    #1862 Mani, Jun 2, 2020
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    Since some of you don’t like Iranians commenting on the US. Here are two Iranian professors of American studies and US experts, both of whom were born, and raised in Virginia and Texas and have a PhD on American studies, criticizing American society on the Iranian TV, in Persian but with a thick American accent.



     
  13. Umar

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    How confident are you in the ability of the regime to carry out a successful counterrevolution, do you think the military will remain loyal if given orders to shoot protestors, and if so, will the military be disciplined enough to keep civilian deaths down to an appropriate minimum?
     
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  14. stanger

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    Here is the Iranian leader falling for a conspiracy theory.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/coronavirus-iran-conspiracy-theory-141188

    In case you don't want to read it, I'll quote the fun parts.

     
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  16. stanger

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    I don't think the governors will enable the National Guard troops to get involved to that extent.

    I also don't think the rank and file active military would follow those orders from the President because I don't think the Joint Chiefs would issue those orders.

    Remember, the National Guard troops are under the command of the individual states' governors.
     
  17. stanger

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    I don't think anyone is supporting Trump in any way.

    Edit: I want to add that I think your leader was pushing anti-American propaganda to the people more than he was falling for a really stupid conspiracy theory.
     
  18. Mani

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    #1868 Mani, Jun 2, 2020
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    Umar isn’t Iranian for Khamanei to be “his leader“ :laugh:

    Now if you had some basic knowledge of Iran and the region, you would know that Iranians since the Safavid era, generally don’t name their kids Umar and the last Iranian named Umar may have been Umar Khayyam :D
     
  19. Iranian Monitor

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    I am glad you are confident in your knowledge. I am pretty confident in my knowledge as well, not because I have a degree in political science (which I do). And not even because I went to law school afterwards and practiced law in the US for around 15 years. I am confident because I feel I have done my homework on the subject and then some!

    You now say you don't claim to know anything about Iran. That would be a good start, but then leads to this question: what is the basis then for you to dismiss what I write about Iran (usually with a list of links and citations!) and pretend I am paid for saying what I say?

    The issue I raise, in turn, brings me to this article by Brian Hook a few days ago in the New York Post (which had been published, like many of their articles on Iran, also in the Jerusalem Post): Apparently, these days in certain circles in America, even American propaganda networks (network which are busy trying to push American foreign policy agendas and its propaganda) can be accused of publishing propaganda for the "mullahs" if they don't engage in complete fabrication and fantasy to fit the stereotypes of Iran fed into the psyche of the American public!

    Honestly, the whole political culture in America, as it relates to Iran, and increasingly on almost everything else, has passed from being often annoying and irritating to one that has become tragically insane! In fact, while I never subscribed to the 'civic class' view of American politics and such, the truth is that you may be right: I don't know or recognize what has become of America anymore! When it comes to their anti-Iran crusade, these people (and this guy is supposed to be America's point man at the State Department on Iran) would put even Joseph McCarthy to shame!

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/why-are-us-taxpayers-funding-a-voice-of-the-mullahs-in-iran/
    Why are US taxpayers funding a ‘Voice of the Mullahs’ in Iran?
     
  20. stanger

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    You think I'm the only one that holds that opinion?

    Your posts read like the Visitors Bureau brochure you would find in the airport.

    Just 1000x longer :)
     
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  21. Iranian Monitor

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    You aren't the only for sure. As with the rest, contrary to what you claim, you either believe you know things about Iran which you don't -- and, therefore, imagine any contrary narrative is propaganda. Or, alternatively, you have an interest in promoting propaganda and silencing those who challenge it.

    My posts are long because, when it comes to Iran, I can't rely on a few words that conjure up years of propaganda and misinformation. And they are long because i usually like to make sure I can back up what I say with relevant links and references.
     
  22. stanger

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    I already stated I didn’t know much about Iran and really have no reason to dig deeper.

    In this vast world I would rather travel to places that are less oppressive.

    There is a reason you and the other Iranians posting here have lived in the US. Americans really have no reason to reciprocate that.
     
  23. Mani

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    #1873 Mani, Jun 3, 2020
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    Certain individuals who are always shedding crocodile tears for Iranian people and their human rights, are now showing their true colours.

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  24. Iranian Monitor

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    https://www.france24.com/en/20200603-iranian-scientist-freed-by-us-back-in-iran-reports
    Iranian scientist freed by US back in Iran: reports
    The Americans claimed it was Iran that was not cooperating on his release, when in fact, they were holding him as a hostage to trade with prisoners convicted of crimes in Iran.

    In the meantime, apparently the dual national prisoners (and others) held by America in American jails don't have names, but the ones held in Iran do!
     
  25. Mani

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    lol so true...

     
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