Looking at the voting rulebook in that link, it seems that only 33 out of 37 members of the FIFA Council will be allowed to vote. AFC loses 1 of 7 votes (JPN member must abstain) OFC loses 1 of 3 votes (NZL member must abstain) Conmebol loses 2 of 5 votes (COL and BRA members must abstain) Hoping that FIFA will be transparent enough to post ballot tallies, with names of its voting members.
As that May 15th press release indicated, FIFA plans to publish its bid evaluation report within a few days (said "early June"). I cannot find any such report published for 2019 WWC host selection, so this new report might bolster FIFA's claims towards transparency. Remember that the Bid Evaluation Report contains weighted scores for host bids. Those scores help discard bids during the upcoming ballot process. Details are found in the "Voting procedure" doc attached to that press release. https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/eg5ike5wmlerlrvynmra.pdf On March 2nd, Forbes magazine reported on FIFA's official inspections to each host candidate. Seems that both bids from AFC had the upper hand. Although, the Japanese bid might shoot itself in the foot, if it persists on rescheduling the tournament a month earlier. https://www.forbes.com/sites/asifbu...potential-hosts-of-the-2023-womens-world-cup/ Good stuff. Looking forward to the 1st publication of a FIFA WWC Bid Evaluation Report, prior to its ballot.
Honest question, will it be popular in Australia and New Zealand? I'm thinking it could with the Matildas and New Zealand soccer team being able to play. But what about for the rest of the teams? Will there be many in attendance watching lets say Chile vs Cameroon? Australia and New Zealand is far. And not as soccer oriented.
You could make this argument with any of the potential hosts. Will Colombia care about Philippines vs Austria? How about Japan caring about Scotland vs South Africa? Honest question as it may be, what's your point?
My point is that you have to be consistent in trying to get the woso popular. If you picked the wrong destination, then the popularity of woso won't go up.
Okay then... I guess with the insinuation that AUSNZL would be more "wrong" or inconsistent than the others somehow? How do you figure?? Also, popularity among who? "The popularity of woso" is also a *really* nebulous concept; what audience are you thinking about and what metric are you using? Ability to reach the international audience and ability to draw domestic fans to games are two very different issues... And don't forget that the two biggest WWCs to date ('99+'15) were both in countries where soccer was *far* from the #1 sport
Its the question I'm asking. Yes I'm speculating, but at the same time you can apply to a business method when selecting a location where people wouldn't go to because its not popular or the population is too small. Imagine setting up the world cup at Nepal. In your view, do you believe the Womens World Cup will hopefully be successful in AUS-NZ.?
I mean, yes getting people to go is a big consideration. But, considering which countries we're talking about, AUSNZL is probably the *most* friendly bid to international travel out of all the bids presented. Followed then by Japan, and then Brazil. Out of the four bids presented, Colombia is the one closest to Nepal in terms of development, connectivity, appeal, etc. Plus, it's not like soccer in AUSNZL is a niche sport by any means. Ultimately success is highly dependent on the organizing committee and less on the country itself. Out of the four bids, I think Brazil has the highest ceiling because it has the highest local population and the deepest soccer history, though that's definitely more BroSo than WoSo. If you asked me, based on history, which bid seems the highest likely attendance, I'd say it's hard to separate between BRA/JPN/AUSNZL, with COL having more question marks than the others. That said, we've also seen COL have high single-game club attendances in just the past year or so, so their ceiling isn't low by any means.
If we used the *business method* approach, then AUS+NZL bid wins. Of all the bid books submitted to FIFA, AUS+NZL was the only one which presented a ticket pricing structure (US $90 for adults). FIFA will be concerned with WWC ticket pricing, more than maximizing seat coverage. Try charging US $90 to South American fans for women's soccer matches, and you will see what's up. Looking at per capita income, AFC bids have the upper hand for filling seats with local fans. Regarding player welfare: COL bid proposed Barranquilla as a host city: 89F and 85%+ humidity during the tournament. https://weatherspark.com/y/23451/Average-Weather-in-Barranquilla-Colombia-Year-Round That's why the COL federation uses Barranquilla for men's Conmebol qualifiers. I can see Barranquilla being used to secure COL advancement into knockout stage. Let us hope that FIFA will soon publish its Bid Evaluation Report, to see its scores for each bid.
2015? In Fifa's minds, maybe https://www.womenssoccerunited.com/wwc2015-attendances/ www.montrealgazette.com/sports/soccer/jack-todd-empty-seats-abound-at-big-o-as-city-welcomes-womens-world-cup/ If 53,000 Canadians came to watch NZ v Netherlands, I'd be more scared than happy tbh
The attendance is suspect, yeah, but I was trying to speak to more than just attendance. Unlike '11 or '19, there were big shifts in the geography and economy of WoSo after '15. Might have been a consequence of the expansion of the tournament.
Brazil withdraws, down to just three candidates now. https://www.cbf.com.br/amp/a-cbf/in...-feminina-fifa-2023?__twitter_impression=true
Damn, that's unfortunate. Out of the four candidates, Brazil had the most experience hosting tournaments, plus has probably the best football culture, and I would've loved to see samba in the stands regularly. That said, I bet Brazil's history of hosting tournaments has also made them weary, (we all know that their back-to-back ConfedCup, MWC , and OGs really strapped them for cash,) and with COVID wrecking the country right now, I guess it's no surprise that multiple parties wouldn't or couldn't sign the necessary paperwork.
The BRA federation statement indicates that FIFA disqualified its WWC host bid, for lack of documentation. This means that the Bid Evaluation Report is ready, and FIFA let the BRA federation save face before the report is published. Even the BRA bid summary doc showed flimsy statements regarding budget control challenges. https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/executive-summary-brazil.pdf?cloudid=cccffsu1dvktkprobhnt Why did FIFA allow that bid to be named a *ballot candidate*, knowing well that required documentation was missing? I guess FIFA officials got to tour Brazil under the excuse of *host inspections*, before realizing the bid was incomplete. How much money was spent to prop up that joke bid: publicists, travel to Europe to *woo UEFA voters*, accommodations for visiting FIFA officials, etc? Money much needed for South American women's soccer. But hey, the BRA federation can now say that it will support its sister COL federation during the upcoming ballot. What a pal!
Interesting -- in terms of tourist and fan safety, I would be very apprehensive about going to Colombia. Less so about Brazil. For Japan or Australia-New Zealand I would feel fine. If 2023 is in Australia-New Zealand, we are planning on going. Possibly if it is in Japan. If it is in Colombia, I am doubtful.
Probably Australia and New Zealand. Colombia doesn't look like a good choice and Japan already has the Olympics.
Japanese press says the 2023 WWC Bid Evaluation Report will be published this week. Also, it acknowledges superior social media game from the Oceanian bid. Interesting how Japanese press shreds its recently announced women's pro league (to start on September 2021). Perhaps somewhat jaded, knowing that its first women's pro league will start 10 years after its WNT became world champions, on home soil. JFA's vision for new pro women's league ambitious, but Women's World Cup bid remains pragmatic NZL press mentions who will pitch the trans-Tasman bid to the FIFA Council. Final push underway for Fifa Women's World Cup bid with no stone to be left unturned A 10-minute pitch per bid is required before voting occurs. There will be a maximum of 34 voting members on June 25, now that BRA has withdrawn its bid. Called "As One 2023", the AUS+NZL bid received a boost on June 8. NZL Prime Minister Jacinda Arden announced zero new COVID-19 cases in the last 14 days. Another plus: AUS federation quickly took over women's Olympic qualifiers in 2020, since China could not host due to the pandemic. Trans-Tasman 2023, has a nice ring to it. Fiji must be excited.
The bad reputation for safety in the 80s is hard to get rid of. However, Colombia today is safe to travel being one of the most incredible destinations in Latin America .... I work in the area of tourism here in Panama and we constantly have high standard American, Japanese or European tourists that make combined roundtrips in central America with Colombia. And the feed back is that Colombia is the most appreciated destination .... Hence the famous slogan: "Colombia, the only risk is wanting to stay". Unfortunately Colombia does not have a sport infrastructure comparable to that of Japan and Australia/New Zealand .... That will be his Achilles heel and I do not think it has good chance.
Really not much infrastructure? Figure they had dozens of stadiums to choose from and transportation.
Quite odd...Japan Times - sports writer Dan Orlovitz (he covers mostly men's football in J1) in his article about new women pro-league sticks only to the well known facts and official dates, he doesn't share any of his own thoughts on the matter but instead he quotes New Zealand's ESPN writer Samantha Lewis (who is supporting AUS/NZL bid) - allowing her to explain about what is/will/could happen with women's football/league in Japan and what JFA needs to do? Hmm... considering that JFA had hit the mark previously with their strategic women's football developement program (Nadeshiko Vision I 2007-2015) and is well on schedule in hitting another (Nadeshiko Vision II 2016 - 2030), Lewis doubful remarks and "good advices" read rather quite silly Eh, it reminds me a bit how W-League was widely heralded last year by fans and part of Aussie press on social media as generally best/strongest league in Asia. Then inaugural AFC Champions Legue happen and Melbourne V. landed in last place with 1 point and 9 goals lost in 3 matches. It wasn't about the results though as much as for beeing seriously outclassed in their last match against Beleza. What I'm trying to say here is, sure AUS/NZL bid has a lot of media attention and nice backing by their fed and gov, and yes emergency took over of the qualifiers probably also bought them some points (I wouldn't count low-COVID19 situation as a factor tho, for one - it may change within a season, and two I'd rather give heavy attended gig to someone who already proved that he can manage it even under heavy crisis, than to someone who never had to face said crisis - especially during ongoing disease times) but at the end of the day JPN's "pragmatic" bid translates for bigger experience, arguably higher quality of infrastructure and logistics, and definatelly superior sport resumee of their teams in this decade. By my understanding JPN are still frontrunners but none the less AUS/NZL are still very strong contenders. Also I'd recommend freelancer Kei Matsubara's take on women's football in Japan instead of Orlovitz's.
@Lechus7 , fair enough. Although, it is useful to have a foreigner's point of view about a domestic product. Gotta read more about Nadeshiko Vision benchmark, so far I have found that the 1st phase goals had to be revised down by JFA. Let me know where Kei Matsubara posts press articles, if you can. The Bid Evaluation Reports are finally in. FIFA spared BRA from public shame. https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/new...valuation-report-published-three-bids-submitt (doc link) https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/hygmh1hhjpg30lbd6ppe.pdf Scores: TAS: 3.7, 3.3, 4.5, 4.7, 4.7 COL: 2.5, 2.8, 3.8, 3.7, 4.5 JPN: 3.7. 3.1, 4.9, 4.1, 4.1 Trans-Tasman 2023 stuck the landing, and gets the gold.