The Red Baron: Josh Sargent at Norwich City

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Didn't miss anything. Schalke would be odds-on favorite to get relegated if the season had started in January. Bremen won but they don't really know how.

    Those are two bad teams.
     
  2. The Irish Rover

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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

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    Since these days subscription services carry sports in most countries, and the USA has the most people willing to pay $13/month to watch one of the NT players, buying one of our guys who regularly appears in the NT seems like a sound bet, if you can play him once in a while.

    The entire subscription model will eventually make us long for the days of cable packages.
     
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  4. Sufjan Guzan

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    Feb 13, 2016
    This is what can happen when you give a young player an extended run in the first team. Sargent is helping out the team in other ways than goalscoring. It's easier for him to focus on that stuff knowing that he doesn't have to score goals to keep his spot as long as the team is doing well. I posted earlier, but it's clear that strikers DO take a good while to adjust at the senior club level before they start scoring in spades.
     
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  5. Excellency

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    He has to work on game stamina - he was slow after HT. He can only work on it if he gets minutes.:geek:
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

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    He was pressing even harder toward the end. Shortly before he subbed off was when he tracked back to thwart a dangerous Schalke attack. Very pleased w/ his effort and stamina. :)
     
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  7. Excellency

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    Yet they took him off for a reason. But it's a little different this season with Mr. Covid demanding lotsa rotation.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

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    Yeah, they're playing again mid-week so if value his contribution need to preserve him, and he was replaced by a d-mid so it was partially tactical.
     
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  9. Excellency

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    Credit Bremen with taking good care of players. They give them time to recover from knocks. b.t.w., the lockdown rules were State based in Germany which is a federal republic like USA and my understanding was that Bremen was strict which makes sense because first game back Bremen looked the worst of all teams in terms of conditioning, of the ones I saw.
     
  10. tomásbernal

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    Unless your name is "Erling Haaland".
     
  11. wixson7

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    Bremen scored a pretty solid team goal, hard press at midfield and then quick break that ended in amazing golazo. That was the issue I had.
     
  12. Sufjan Guzan

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    Hey we can't all be so good at the U-20 level that FIFA investigates the other team for match fixing
     
  13. The Irish Rover

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    In which case you've been playing senior club level in every country since you were in diapers ;)
     
  14. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich Member+

    Jul 11, 2006
    Aside from that one corner earned and getting a yellow on Tibido (?) he was pretty much immaterial to everything happening in the match.

    He drew 5 fouls because schalke went to he Felix Magath playbook and fouled everyone all the time.

    Lastly, you are comparing him 1. to schalke ? wtf does that prove? they are the worst Bundi team I have ever seen and 2. comparing him to other bremen strikers? that's like comparing roadkill.

    I am still very high on Sargent in general. He, CP and Adams are the only three soccer players in america, apparently, but man, he was bad today on a bad team playing against a bad team. No postcard needed, mom.
     
  15. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

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    Your skewed perspective he must have had like 10 touches all match was disproven objectively. He had three times as many. Adjust.

    The comparison to his alternatives in the match is an indicator of how he performed w/ relative opportunity and to his position. It wasn't silky football.

    I share an opinion held by most he played solidly, which is more so backed statistically, and I'm acting like his mom. Get a grip.
     
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  16. Sam Hamwich

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    Jul 11, 2006
    out of those 31 man, most were him receiving the ball 50 meters from goal and him getting thrown off the ball. With 5 fouls against, you are now looking at 26 touches. At least half of those were nothing touches 50 meters from goal that were of zero consequence. That leaves by my count 'around 10' touches. I can't believe I missed the number so egregiously, clearly he was a monster out there!

    He had a bad match on a bad team against a bad team. Nothing really changes that. I watched the entire 70 minutes. It was torture.

    No postcard needed, dad.
     
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  17. thedukeofsoccer

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    You furthered my argument. Due to poor service he frequently had to check back for a longer hospital ball w/ a man at his back. Not an easy task to maintain possession. Still managed to hold it most times and often draw fouls.

    Good execution, Fredo.
     
  18. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    Next thing someone will invent a thing and call it "bundling" and history will be rewritten... again...Or all media will consolidate into 4 giant corps and we will all have 4 subscriptions... Or both.
     
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  19. wixson7

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  20. Jazzy Altidore

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    So which moments on this video do people find impressive? He was able to break away from his defender and win a corner on one player. He also seemed generally more involved with the ball than in the past matches I watched. Otherwise I felt he looked overmatched physically by Schalke. He doesn't win many headers and gets bodied off the ball by defenders quite a bit for a number 9
     
  21. butters59

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    Feb 22, 2013
    He worked hard and had more touchess than usually. Kind of Zardes like game.
     
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  22. ttrevett

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    Unfortunately I have to agree, and this is the best striker in America right now. WTF has to occur to get America to produce a guy who can score goals regularly in a better-than-MLS league?
     
  23. dougtee

    dougtee Member+

    Feb 7, 2007
    how many looks at goal did sargent have? he isnt a guy who is going to make slaloming runs through defenders and singlehandedly create goal scoring opportunities, but he was always a lethal finisher when given opportunities. its what got him to werder in the first place. the difference between rashica looking to shoot from 25 yards out and what sargent might see service wise from the usmnt attack is material for a different forum
     
  24. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Definitely does look promising for goals. Werder have played 28 games in bundesliga and scored 30 goals. Going to be hard for him to get goals based on the games I’ve watched. Hard to say any one player isn’t a part of that problem but I’m not sure he is the biggest issue necessarily. It’s rare other players are getting in dangerous positions really.
     
  25. gogorath

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    I mean, Sargent could probably have a decent number of goals if he were playing a level down (but still above MLS) on a decent team. I think he's talented enough, though I could be wrong.

    Bigger picture ... years ago, US prospects were comparably terrible versus the rest of world in two key soccer skills: first touch/receiving and finishing. We've had some recent prospects who have closed a decent amount of the gap on the first point, but holy cow, even some of our best prospects simply do not seemingly practice putting the ball where they want it.

    Reyna looks like he might be our best at it. It's absolutely Pulisic's key weakness. One of the reasons why I was so excited about Sargent was that he was the first striker prospect I've seen for the US that actually looked like he had the composure to place his shots rather than simply hit it forward at goal.

    Perhaps his other weaknesses are too much at this level. Or perhaps he needs to improve a bit across the board. But Bremen aren't helping. They are even trying to get the ball into the box AT ALL.
     

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