Racism...Forever?

I think your original post was a good one. However. This one not so much.

1. A "black guy" didn't make a conscious choice to be black. The white man in the video made a conscious choice to show his MAGA hat.
2. Black people don't have the power, and as a whole don't have the intent, to oppress MAGA fans.

Did you mean equivocal, or unequivocal?

 

It’s pretty tone deaf...you don’t think?

 

Well first of all, I’m not walking into a MAGA event with a Bernie Shirt on.... it’s just common sense

 

Thanks for catching it. Corrected it right on time....

 

It is obviously a bad look and unacceptable as well. Having said that, what the ******** was that guy thinking? That is beyond tone deafness.

 

When this is over the conversation must turn to altering (short of abolishing) the current structure of law enforcement. 1) NAtional training standards including regular deescalation training. Cities or states not complying are not eligible for federal equipment and funding. 2) All police are personally licensed and insured (like plumbers) It is reasonable to protect taxpayers from settlements and judgements caused by repeat offenders. It is likely insurance companies will drive out bad officers, preventing the city vs. union forced rehires. 3) Police unions must be held more responsible for the behavior of their members. Pension plans must participate in judgements. 'Good' officers must have incentive to eradicate 'bad' officers. Currently they have incentive to protect them. 4) Federal ombudsman, parallel with US prosecutors whose sole mission it is to investigate and prosecute lesser governmental bodies. No more investigating themselves. Baring that...something more radical. Make the police union the police employer. For a negotiated rate cities hire from the union. If an officer doesnt meet standards, or for any reason, the city sends them back (like Bob, from accountemps) The union is responsible for the behavior of officers, not the taxpayers. In this way 'bad' cops will be eliminated by 'good' cops. Id also revisit/eliminate the entire concept of 'limited immunity' it stops the creation of standards as of an arbitrary date and is a massive disincentive to training. Limited immunity makes incompetence a positive defense.

 

This photo



Not the twitter thread, but it's better here.

Today I learned the German word "Krawalltouristen", which literally means "riot tourists."

— Enhanced Interrogated Poet (@agraybee) May 30, 2020

"Riot tourists" needs to become a part of the American lexicon. And its connotation needs to be 2 steps above pedophile.

 

Great post. Those are essentially first steps to reform police departments and make them more accountable. The current status quo in untenable.

PS. The young black Mayor of St Paul (I find him remarkably level headed and forceful) is saying the same things about the Police reform as we speak now.

 

The difference is, these guys would have been fine if they just kept their hats in their packs or pockets or whatever.

The black guy doesn't have that option.

 

He could do a whiteface.

 

Not sure what you mean by this. Can you be specific about the situation that you envision?

 

A reverse Zwarte Piet if you will.

 

When young males show to protests, it's hard to know if they are there out of conviction or for the fight. I take all female protestors seriously, and the old guys, but the younger fellas ... that's case by case.

 

"Hey, News Bearer. Hey, You who bears news!
Are you sober or drunk? Are you awake or asleep?
In the black night, in the dark of night, from left and from right, from afar, and from near, someone is shouting,
Take your hands off of my throat, take off your hands, off my throat..."
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/ahay-khabardar-hey-news-bearer.html

 

Disagree; there are people in some of these crowd scenes who appear to be calculatedly, intentionally attempting to make the protests more disruptive and destructive than they are being of their own volition. And they don't necessarily appear young. And it is exactly what you would do if you were trying to turn all this to your advantage were you brown shirt oriented, and in fact is what the brown shirts did in mid 30's Germany.

The orher happens too, I am quite sure-- but it just functions as a sort of "matching grant" for more intentional disruption in times like these.

I may be wrong--I predicted nine of the three drug busts on my college campus in 1970 after all-- but please, everybody be a little alert to the possibility that I am not. Part of the goal here is to have an election; and I don't trust that the other side will want one if it can figure out how to prevent it. It doesn't make a very good show of supporting any of the other ideals the nation was built on.

 

I guess you totally missed the point.....Black people don't have the option of hiding their blackness, the white dude could put his maga hat in his pocket and just be part of the crowd.

 

Mmm,you know those maga shits look all the same ...ugly and stupid. Try to hide that.

 

That is true and it is a difference. However, that doesn't change the fact that the guy got beaten up for being a counter protester, and if it's OK to do that to him then the right has ever bit the same justification for doing to us, should we show up in opposition to a MAGA event.

 

Well, from my vantage point,

1- you should never beat up someone just because they 'provoke' you by their presence, words, or whatever they are wearing to signify their views. That is not civilized behavior.

2- beating up someone for just showing up as a black person is, of course, not exactly the same thing for reasons already mentioned by others. So that analogy would need to be worked on a bit.

3- anger over what is been going on in America for longer than anyone can remember, is natural and to be expected. That anger would find its best vehicle for expression if it remained peaceful, except in self-defense and defense of others.

4- some of these police barriers and measures are intended to prevent the expression of even peaceful expression of anger and disgust -- and of opposition to what ails America. And the idea that the police should be allowed to run over protesters because they are trying to stop their vehicles from moving is different from this famous picture from Tienanmen square several decades ago, mainly because the police in New York didn't seem deterred from running over the people trying to stop them.

 

Sure. They assume that every lefty isn’t armed as well....


That would be interesting