Tyler Adams at AFC Bournemouth

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Kinda what I meant. I just screwed up the wording.
     
  2. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    Yup have to agree with this. His reactions, passing, and maybe even his vision and speed are slightly down compared to last season. I don’t know if it’s his role at RB vs. DM, or the injury.

    I remember last season that his quick passing and decision making was spot on. Now he just boringly back passes all day long when he could make some of those passes forward.

    The fact that Kampl, the one guy whose playing the position we want Adams to be in was replaced by Adams, but at RB instead is telling.

    Halstenberg being out for next week doesn’t help either. I really hope he turns it around because he was my favorite player last season.
     
  3. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    The other thing I’ll add is that Adams was #1 or #2 at DM nearly every game in terms of # of passes and touches; he was very involved.

    It seems like he’s simply less involved. His overall impact on the game is much lower.
     
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  4. hype25

    hype25 Member

    Jul 17, 2016
    Didn't he have an 100% pass completion percentage last match at CDM/sub? Maybe RB isn't his best position?
     
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  5. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Who do the Spurs have in midfield these days? I would not be surprised to see Adams as a candidate for transfer to Prem in the next window
     
  6. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    seems a bridge too far now don't you reckon?
     
  7. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He certainly does not think that RB is his best position. He recently said that he prefers playing the 6 on BSI the podcast.
     
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  8. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Totally agreed, if he connects on 1 or 2 of those crosses or the 1 ends up as an assist, everyone is singing a different story. He had a couple moments where he shaped up to shoot too and it never looked like going in. I think his lack of shooting ability (at least as evidenced yesterday) will also hamper his development in that role.
     
  9. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he is talented enough to be above average in the role if he gets a lot of reps. It looks like he is having issues with the angles on his crosses... as well as the elevation. I know he has played RB and RWB before... but his best skills relate to reading the play thru the center, picking the ball off and getting it to an outlet quickly for the counter. Furthermore, the best passes I have seen from him are mostly of the thru-ball variety... splitting defenders and setting up the break. While some of those skills are helpful on the right side and he certainly has the speed to make Ds pay his crosses so far lack the whip, height and accuracy to cause serious problems. You are right though... if his cutback cross gets put in the net then he has an assist and he would be getting glowing reviews. Heck, if that cross/shot he took earlier in the game was actually saved for the last then it would have been right on two players. Coulda, shoulda... At any rate, this team is chalk full of talent at CDM... so if he has to play RB or RWB to get on the pitch then I am OK with it and expect him to get better.
     
  10. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It should be noted too, well, his positioning going forward was generally tucking inside. He did have a few notable overlaps but generally in the attacking half he found himself more in the middle. It was, well, GGG-esque. Still, I think he has the tactical, defensive, and passing chops to pull it off but he's not a dribbler and he's not a shooter, so he's bringing maybe 3 of the 5 tools to the role and it seems like his directions are 'play more of your natural role moving forward but be an outside defender coming back'.
     
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  11. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that is a good description.
     
  12. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adams will always tuck inside because that's where he's more comfortable playing. It isn't some grand endorsement of GGG.
     
  13. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't curse the poor kid. Come up with some other top half EPL team to link him to. Anyone other than Spurs. Or Man U.

    Or Arsenal.

    Honestly I'd rather see him at Wolves with Portuguese Papa Smurf. They play some nice football at times over there.
     
  14. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d love for him to come to Chelsea.
     
  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I could see Adams at Chelsea and McKennie at Wolves. I think, I don't think I've seen more than a few minutes worth of Wolves but I watched a bit of Chelsea and putting a young Adams on the team would be a good roster mix, imo.
     
  16. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’d fit well at Chelsea and I think Wes would be perfect for Wolves. Tho I would be concerned he’d be used as an outside CB in their back 3. Both currently are convert CDMs.
     
  17. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The way I see it (which I get the feeling is the way Nagelsman sees it, at least in some respects):

    Laimier, even Sabitzer, play more purposefully out of the 6 than Adams who tends to play it very safe, probably because he does NOT read the play thru the center and get the counter off quickly. Playing him more at rb ( a la Kimmich at Bayern) gives him more time to read the game without getting frustrated and gives him time (as you saw from several bursts forward directly to the top corner of the box undisturbed) to make plays that COUNT.

    I could go on in detail but I think it is more important to point out that Adams had a couple GOOD opporutnities to make a difference v. Hertha and did OK and now Nagelsman will start building his confidence and power to CONVERT those chances.

    I don't need to see Adams playing more patty cake with his cb's out of the 6; anybody can do that. The coaching now has to concentrate on what Adams can do but isn't doing, not what he can't do (which isn't much, anyway). The only thing he isn't great at is controlling his dribble as he approaches the half moon. That's why I've always seen Adams as a 6/7-11 who plays dmid on defense and moves into the wing space forward when the situation is right (like he did v. Hertha)

    The longer these posts get, the more they leave out.
     
  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Adams plays RB/RWB like a CM: always cutting inside by instinct.

    While that was fashionable a decade ago (and a few years back in MLS), it's not going to fly for long in a club as modern and with the aspirations of this RBL.

    Being just ok going wide, for a modern RB/RWB, is not enough.
     
  19. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly the modern outside back has probably the hardest job on the field. They need to have the attacking skills of a winger, defensive chops of a stay at home defender and lung capacity of Michael Phelps. They need to be able to play wide, come inside, defend, run. It’s nuts. They really do have to do it all.
     
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  20. WheezingUSASupport

    Dortmund
    United States
    Aug 28, 2017
    The difference to last year though is Adams didn’t need that extra time to make the right pass. That was one of his strengths was the accuracy and speed that he’d get simple passes out forward. His speed of thought was much better.

    If that speed of thought isn’t there I can see why Nagelsman wouldn’t want to play him at the 6 or 8 where that skill is essential. I just hope getting more game time gets this former strength back to where it was so he can play at Dmid.
     
  21. Dr.Phil

    Dr.Phil Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Older video showing how Naglesmann uses his wingback to press and move up the field with quick passes.


    Video on Laimer's improved season. Adams plays similarly.
     
  22. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is definitely a tough and at times thankless position. Lots of running that is often unrewarded. There is some latitude with mistakes as they mostly occur towards the touchline with cover inside. Tougher to have a high passing percentage as you often get hemmed in on the touchline with limited options. Cutting inside helps that but it all depends on what the team is trying to do.
     
  23. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    If you set up everything so Adams can have speed of thought from the 6, is that a value team objective? That would be the question you would ask if you were not solely concentrated on what is good for Adams.
     
  24. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I could have completed 100% of those passes on one leg.
     
  25. appwrangler

    appwrangler Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Dec 18, 2018
    Okay, you made me think: you ever make a pass not on one leg?
     
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