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  1. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    United States
    Who, though?
     
  2. Kawklee

    Kawklee BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 30, 2008
    Miami
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Sure, but Mane doesn't replace Benzema. Hazard isn't a striker. Is Vicinius or Rodrygo? I'm sure they'd want some other proper striker for Benzema replacement.
     
  3. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Are you saying that Mane cannot play an effective role in Real's offense if Benzema is gone? I think Mane has proved that he can score regardless of who is around him. His goals to shots is far superior to Salah's. Hazard and Modric wouldn't be able to get him the ball where he can score?
     
  4. Kawklee

    Kawklee BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 30, 2008
    Miami
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    I'm saying Mane wouldn't be the player they need if they're looking to replace Benzema. I dont know if they have someone that can replace him. I don't really follow them that much. If your main striker leaves, you don't buy another winger and then "wing" it.
     
  5. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    I get what you're saying, but Mane is the kind of player that a manager can tailor an offense around, not on the level of Messi, but Messi isn't a striker in the same way Benzema is or Ibra. Messi and Mane are both very mobile players, smaller in stature than Benzema or Ibra by far. Mane is never going to be spoken of in the same breath as Messi, but he wouldn't be replacing Benzema. He would be filling a first team slot on a side without Benzema.
     
  6. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    The big question is, will Real Madrid recognise that? Not equating the two but Barcelona bought Griezmann, who has spent his career primarily playing as a centre-forward, and plays him as winger.
     
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  7. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    not unusual for a team to bend their normal shape / tactics to accommodate a game-changer player. not saying this would happen with Mane / RM mind you, but there are few teams who wouldn't shuffle their deck to fit him in.
     
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  8. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
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    Liverpool have opened talks with Paris Saint-Germain defender Thomas Meunier over a possible free transfer this summer, according to reports. He is the second PSG fullback to be linked with a move to Liverpool on a Bosman this summer after Liverpool was previously credited with interest in Layvin Kurzawa.

    Paris Saint-Germain forward Kylian Mbappe has called Liverpool a “ruthless machine” with a “very good manager”.

    Erling Haaland’s former RB Leipzig manager Jesse Marsch reckons he would be “an incredible fit” at Liverpool.
     
  9. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Mane if he doesn't go to Real Madrid he'll go to PSG
     
  10. StiltonFC

    StiltonFC He said to only look up -- Guster

    Mar 18, 2007
    SoCal
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    You heard it here first. PSG has a Senegalese player who joined PSG from Everton. Oh, yes. That should be a treat.
     
  11. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
    New York
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    Liverpool FC
    Why are we talking about Mane going anywhere?
     
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  12. Red Bird

    Red Bird Member+

    Sep 30, 2003
    Oxford
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    Liverpool FC
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    England
    Good question.
     
  13. Wingtips1

    Wingtips1 Member+

    May 3, 2004
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    Liverpool FC
    Let's be honest, there is going to be very little player movement when we finally have a transfer window.
    Teams are going to be going to devoting a lot of resources to any players available on a Bosman, but I can't see many being willing to be buyers at big money.
    I've just gotten off a day of calls and multiple CEO's all had the exact same message - no leadership team can forecast the next quarter and forecasting the next 12 months is impossible.
    When that is the case, people will re-trench and play around the edges of their squads, but no club is going to be willing, let alone able, to make huge investments when such uncertainty lingers.
    Apparently Werner's release clause drops to 35m next summer which is why we seem ready to wait it out. But there is the argument that given most teams will be standing still, we should push ahead with an investment that a) should be doable without screwing with our finances given we spent nothing last year and had a positive net spend the year before and b) the manager clearly feels will positively impact the squad. (And I say this as somebody that is not sold on Werner - but I'd back Klopp every day if he thinks it is best for the club).

    I'll say it again, but Newcastle are set to be in a great position this summer as a team that have past profits they can use to offset a big investment and an owner willing to invest. They'll be the only group willing to make a market for guys like Shaqiri or John Stones or even be able to enter the price range necessary for somebody like Koulibaly. How/where they (and to a lesser extent citeh and PSG) spend may determine what other clubs are able to do this summer.
     
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  14. Suss

    Suss Moderator
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    Aug 11, 2003
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    It’s not a bad thing for Liverpool if there is little to no movement. We are already better than everyone.
     
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  15. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

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    May 9, 2020
    Hearing other teams are trying to out buy Liverpool this summer when it comes to players and honestly Liverpool to me you guys have become the Yankees of the EPL...you guys just sign anyone and everyone to try to build a dynasty but there's nothing wrong with that
     
  16. LiverpoolFanatic

    Liverpool FC, Philadelphia Union
    Feb 19, 2000
    Lancaster, PA
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    You must have us confused with Man City...
     
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  17. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    Lpool are certainly at a level where we can compete for top players again but "you guys just sign anyone and everyone "is way off the mark imo.

    For example for a team signing anyone and everyone who did we sign for this season and how much did we spend?
     
  18. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    #518 newterp, May 28, 2020
    Last edited: May 28, 2020
    That's not even close to accurate - and I understand it's your opinion.

    About the last thing Liverpool do is what you described - you may have us mixed up with Man City or PSG. Real Madrid as well.

    I don't have the time or energy to link to the 100s of articles that have detailed in depth how Liverpool built this team - but it was a combination of astute signings at low costs, getting value for players before they exploded, and then splashing big on vital positons. That's not the Yankees menthodology (especially the 90's and early 2000s Yankees).

    That doesn't even account for our Net Spend which is one of the lowest in the Top 10 teams in the PL.
     
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  19. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

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    Then explain all the signings or why Liverpool is so dominant then
     
  20. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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  21. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    Lpool had one big transfer window in 2018 largely because we sold Coutinho to Barca for 142m pounds. Other than that Klopp has spent relatively little .

    This season he spent on Minamino and Vandenberg for about 12m pounds total.
     
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  22. speker

    speker Member+

    May 16, 2009
    Canada
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    Liverpool FC
    Because we signed the right players , no mistakes and because the coaching is of a very high quality.
     
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  23. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Let's see - one of the top 3 managers in the World?
    A brilliant scouting department that employs physicists to analyze data on players and triple checks their temperament?
    And again - how does one explain ALL the signings? Literally EVERY team makes lots of signings every year. Why aren't they dominant?
    And among ALL the signings, what about last summer when Liverpool signed no one (ok Sepp Van de Berg for 1.3m).

    It's not that hard to figure out.
     
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  24. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    LOL
    That kind of comment would make a person wonder if you know anything about (a) Liverpool FC or (b) football or (c) both.
     
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  25. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Yeah well I guess that makes sense
     

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