Hazard Warning Signs - The Chelsea Transfer Thread

Last we saw of him he had won his place back and put in several good shifts...

The idea of dropping/selling/replacing him has yet to appear anything other than extreme to me. At no point during the last couple of seasons did I think, outside of maybe a handful of errors, "Yeah we need a new keeper." And honestly - it wasn't until he got dropped did I see this debate even really materialize.

I can think of a couple of players that deserve far more criticism than him yet Lamps just needed to swing his d*ck around and make a statement the same way he did with Pulisic. Not trashing Frank here either but both of these things read more as mind games than tactics.

Jorginho can give the ball away in midfield a dozen times, lose us games and it's somehow Kepa who needs replacing? Zouma, who has looked like he has concrete blocks tied to his feet, doesn't deserve to get dropped? I mean, who's setting what standard here.

Lets look at all of the goals he "conceded" here..



Our defense got ran ragged. I mean seriously, it is ********ing embarrassing looking at the majority of those goals. His bad stats get inflated thanks to the fact that this team hasn't been familiar with what a clean sheet looks like in 3 years

 

I don't think Kepa is a bad keeper by any stretch but it did look like he had lost concentration before he was benched.

And he did look a lot better when he was back in the 11.

I call that good player management by the coaching staff.

 

in the context of him just doing what I expect him to do, I'm not exactly into the idea of starting Willy in meaningful games unless Kepa's legs are broken all for the sake of man management.

This sums it up lol

 

Drogs helped get Ess to Chelsea

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/21/mich...convincing-reject-manchester-united-12741315/

 

Juventus could reportedly have success in their bid to prise Emerson Palmieri away from Chelsea by offering Adrien Rabiot in a player exchange deal.

 

Rabuot, no way, him and his mom can stay the hell away. They're not worth it.

 

For me, the best pure keepers in the Premier League are Ederson, Alisson, and De Gea (in that order). Put any one of them in a Chelsea shirt and he's giving up the same amount of goals as Kepa.

I'll go one step further and say that Kepa has kept us in waaaay more games than he's "lost" for us. No one remembers the saves. They only remember the goals going in too easily and blame the keeper instead of a gaffe in midfield.

 

Gotze is leaving Dortmund at the end of the season for free. Not really sure he's better than the central attacking options we've already got in Mount and Ziyech. Just reporting it.

 

Saw that today. Honestly, he's not what he was, but maybe, considering our options, maybe he's worth a punt.

 

Reports are growing that Werner to scouse all but a done deal

 

That's interesting since Firmino has done so well there. Not sure what they plan to do with him. Werner is an upgrade.

 

Timo Werner to Chelsea...imagine if it happens

 

Unlikely. He definitely wants to go to the Premier League, but we may be third choice.

A lot hinges on what we do with Tammy. He's yet to sign a new deal and we need to assess if we think he'll be worth as much as he's asking.

 

I think it is better you guys sign Werner

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/weaint...e-boga-negotiating-sell-on-fee-instead-report

 

Chelsea are in need of strikers

 

just a reminder, I had forgotten him quickly , whether we spend it or not, we get the Morata 48 million fee paid this summer as well as the Hazard money hopefully burning Roman's pockets...

a high quality striker and lb the glaring needs of course and a wide attacker for me, a dominating cb with one out also be good

 

Havertz if anything is perfect for Chelsea or you guys could even go after Koulibaly

 

No one will pay what Napoli want for Koulibaly. Havertz looks legit but also similar to the guy from Ajax we got. We need a more traditional winger. Back up to Tammy and LB.

 

Havertz is better than Ziyech, and both are better than any attacking talent we currently have. Both can play wide, and Havertz is a little better out there. Havertz has good side and can play centrally a little further forward as a second striker or a lone striker. Getting both would drastically make us better and outside of Sancho, Havertz is my dream get for us. He's so damn good.

 

Said Benrahma. Winger at Brentford (formerly of Nice) - 40m? Weird. Don't know anything about him, but Lampard does.

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation...tion-of-brentford-winger-said-benrahma-report

 

A) how transfers are conducted and
B) the breakdown of costs involved in a transfer deal?

(a) The scouting staff will prepare reports on players and provide an idea about price; coaches will look at the players but have no idea about price; they will go to a Director of Football (or perhaps a mix of the finance director and others responsible for the monies) and say we would like this player and we think he will cost £x. Checking against available budgets, the club will likely approach his agent to ask if the player might be interested in the move and a broad idea about the package the player would want, and any broad idea about what the club would want - and what terms they may be open to (cash up front, spread over a year etc.). This sits inside the overall transfer process which looks something like this:

The same way as any other club do. The process should be along the lines of: Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered but no more than that. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent formally to negotiate about a transfer and even to the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve the showing of serious interest (perhaps through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak formally to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.

Agents will often try and get more specific details of wages and other financials before they should - but most clubs are happy to follow this process. Players will often talk to other players about moves but, whilst wrong, is tolerated as it would be impossible to manage.

Alternatively, a selling club may ask an agent to find a new club for a player and he will talk directly to potential selling sides about the fee, personal terms and interest.

The rest of the time agents will be on fishing trips trying to find interest in their players.

In terms of what happens when the negotiations take place, broad agreement (player available and open to discussions, understanding of the price) will already have been reached. The clubs will meet to discuss the details of the transfer fee, other costs associated with the move and the structure of the payments and any additional fees (e.g another €5M for winning the Champions League etc.) but this does not take a "few days".}

(b) It might be an apt time to explain again about the cost of transfers (excluding wages). What is paid by the buying club would typically include:

(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the Premier League.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £44M plus VAT on agent fees (nearly double the next highest) last season alone).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches (what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Solidarity and Traing Contribututions (see below).
(n) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (usually waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:

(a) If the player is under 24 and moving between different football associations, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received (apportioned 5% of the contribution for each year from the season of his 12th birthday to the season of his 15th birthday and 10% of the contribution for each season from his 16th to 23rd birthdays). This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(b) If the player moves to a higher category club (all clubs being categorised 1 to 4) then Training Compensation is due for the period of age 12 to 21. Compensation is due to all clubs when the player turns from amateur to professional and thereafter only when he moves from his final training club to another club. The initial training compensation is levied at the training costs associated with Category 4 clubs. The subsequent figure is agreed between the sides or tribuneral if necessary. This is generally (there are exceptions) recoverable from the buying club but responsibility (that is meant to be with the buying club) can be assigned to the selling club.
(c) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(d) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).
(e) Any money contractually due to a previous club as the result of a sell-on clause.}

 

Sancho. Anything new on the Sancho? With the virus is his price lower? Do Chelsea still want him this window and are we willing to spend big?

The issue remains the overall cost. His agent has made a very significant demand which Chelsea are not going to pay. So the asking price from Dortmund might have a little room to negotiate, but the agent fees need to reduce very significantly for Sancho to Chelsea to be viable. Borussia Dortmund are in no rush to sell either