Little better but not quite there - 2020 Summer Transfer Thread

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  1. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Martinez? He is rumored to be headed to Barca for Arthur + cash. That is why they want PEA.

    I see what you mean about the cash but if we are gonna lose both PEA (1 yr on contract and asking for 300k/wk) and Laca (Partey trade) we will have to add an experienced ST and replace a good number of goals. In theory, Pepe could pitch in on the goals with some improved MF that takes some of the defensive responsibilities from him and distributes the ball better. That still leaves us needing a ST. Because of his contract situation and all the COVID stuff, the rumors are that we would get between 30-50m in cash for PEA. Who you gonna get better than Icardi for that kind of cash?
     
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  2. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    Seeing more rumors about a possible pursuit of Rabiot on loan with a buy option.

    And a new loan to buy.... Ousmane Dembele. Supposedly Barca have decided that he isn't gonna fit. They want 60m euro but in all likelihood aren't getting that this window. So it was suggested that they may be game for a loan with a buy option to get him off the books now and hopefully cash in next summer. We were mentioned as the most likely candidate. Don't like the idea of potentially blocking Saka but a 3 man primary rotation of Saka, Pepe & Dembele for the 2 wing spots sounds VERY enticing.
     
  3. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    #378 chjoak, May 13, 2020
    Last edited: May 13, 2020
    Based on current rumors....

    PEA for Icardi
    Laca for Partey
    Rabiot & Dembele on loan with an option to buy


    ---------------------- Icardi ---------------------
    Saka/Dembele ------- Pepe/Dembele
    ----------------------- Ozil -----------------------
    ------------ Rabiot ------- Partey -----------
    Tierney ---- Mari ---- Luiz ---- Bellerin

    How you feeling about that possibility for next season?
    That can technically be accomplished without selling anyone. Offload the surplus (Sokra, Mustafi, Miki, ElNeny, Kola, Xhaka) and those rumored to want out (Torriera) and you have some cash to add some young depth with upside (Kokcu, some Brazilians, Disasi, etc...) and pay off some of Pepe's deal.
     
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  4. cooper7d7

    cooper7d7 Member+

    Feb 7, 2001
    CT
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Luiz over Saliba?
     
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  5. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    Unless he shows that he deserves to be the starter in preseason, then yes. I expect him to rotate in and win the role but I do not want to anoint a teenager that has never played a single minute in the EPL yet.
     
  6. ArsenalTexan3

    ArsenalTexan3 Member

    Arsenal
    Sep 24, 2002
    Jakarta
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    That is using too much logic for this forum sir. We don't allow it. :p
     
  7. cooper7d7

    cooper7d7 Member+

    Feb 7, 2001
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    But all the other newcomers waltz into the starting 11 and you can show rotation with Dembele but not Saliba.
     
  8. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Dembele is not a teenager (as I specifically pointed out with Saliba) and while his stay at Barca was not terribly exciting he showed himself capable of playing at a high level in both the French & German leagues. I showed him in rotation in the lineup to demonstrate how I believe the 3 would be used together as all 3 bring a little something different to the position.

    I didn't show Saliba in rotation because I don't think it will really be a rotation. I think he will get games in preseason, cup matches, lesser competition, etc... just like any backup until such point that Arteta deems him ready to be starter.

    Rabiot & Partey "waltz" into the 11 because they are in their mid to upper 20s and have both demonstrated themselves to be more capable/accomplished MF than what we are currently trotting out. Icardi "waltzes" into the 11 because PEA & Laca are gone in this scenario and the alternative is starting Martinelli or Nketiah over him and I don't see that as happening. 2-3 years from now I could see Martinelli & Nketiah being your primary ST rotation with Icardi gone. Until then Icardi would be the starter.
     
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  9. GunnerJacket

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    Sep 18, 2003
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    If the assumption is PEA is likely off to greener pastures and this team is adrift from European play next season then I'm all for these wholesale makeovers that at least gives the team more and younger talent to consider and develop, even if that talent isn't up to PEA levels. In the absence of cash windfalls to spend they need to redevelop the side somehow and many of these scenarios at least feature a possible upside.
     
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  10. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    If we are outside of EL/CL entirely I would skip the Icardi & Partey deals for younger players. Would likely still consider loan to buy for Rabiot & Dembele but I would be working towards a roster with a max age of 25.
     
  11. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    If you are going to give me Pepe, Saka, Dembele, Martinelli, Nelson and ESR, then I would like to find a formation where I don't have to play a 32 year old Ozil on an expiring contract.
     
  12. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Don't disagree with that at all. I just left him in because there are currently no solid rumors of him being shipped out or replaced. We've had a couple rumors of U20 AMs being brought in but I would not expect them to immediately jump into the lineup ahead of him.
     
  13. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
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    U guys are on fm too much

    we may get Partey and a striker at most

    saka and martinelli lw Pepe Nelson rw

    I’d take laca for Partey and pea for a striker but we still need a cab if papa goes
     
  14. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Aubameyang and Dembele are reportedly close from their time at BVB. If Arsenal jumped on a loan with an option to buy for Dembele, I wonder if Aubameyang might stay.
     
  15. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    Entirely possible and I wouldn't be opposed to him being our vet ST. Not sure how enthused I would be about his rumored 300k/wk salary demands or the idea of letting him go for nothing next summer.
     
  16. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
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    Arsenal FC
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    While I generally approve of the youth idea, I think there is benefit to having a few solid veterans. Find a few 28-31 year olds who are willing to take on a mentorship role and it can help the young players develop, imo.
     
  17. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Agree. You can bet that Luiz is going nowhere, Xhaka probably isn't yet either. If you decide you need another vet, Santi will be a free agent and has a desire to return to Arsenal in a player and/or coaching role.
     
  18. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    https://apple.news/APs98mYmnSsuN_icmM9hUoA

    I ran across this in an apple news link. It throws cold water on the prospect of big money transfers. It suggests La Liga will be limited to trades. In addition, with United's links to big money moves, Woodward is quoted as saying "All the speculation around transfers of individual players for hundreds of millions of pounds this summer seems to ignore the realities that face the sport”.
     
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  19. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Seeing reports that Torreira's agent has openly stated that Lucas would like to return to Italy this summer. Right now Milan is the only club listed as being interested but I would imagine that Napoli may be as well given his former Sampdoria manager is now there.
     
  20. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    Rumor of the morning has us targeting M'Gladbach CB Nico Elvedi to be the future partner for Saliba. Supposedly he may be available for a reduced fee due to a 2021 expiring contract.
     
  21. Ofori

    Ofori Red Card

    Inter Milan
    Ghana
    May 9, 2020
    Arsenal if anything should sign this player but I don't think they will but Thomas Partey my fellow Ghanaian countryman, he would be a fantastic fit for Arsenal. He even wants to go to Arsenal. Really what is the downside?
     
  22. CarlosKaiser

    CarlosKaiser Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 30, 2018
    Kansas City
    Swap to send Xhaka back? It's not fair, but I don't have a great felling about Arsenal and Swiss defenders (Senderos/Djourou)
     
  23. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    AC Milan looking like the most logical destination for Lucas Torreira. They are losing Biglia & Bonaventura to free transfers and are shopping Kessie & Paqueta.

    I've read some scouting reports and watched film of both Kessie & Paqueta...

    Kessie - Physically strong, excellent ball winner, has a knack for covering good distance on the dribble without having to use ball fakes or footwork. Difficult time finding any passing highlights. General assessment... with a little work I think he would make a much better CB than a DM.

    Paqueta - described as a scoring AM/SS. Excellent footwork with shades of Brazilian Futsol. Strong on the ball when he wants to be but dives a little too much for my liking. Capable of defending and ball winning when he wants to. Shows greater playmaking ability and passing in tight spaces vs picking out the open runner with a longer pass.

    Both show a good bit of potential. I like Kessie's physicality, work rate and ball winning but I am concerned that he would be a project that may never really fit the MF. Paqueta may be a little too much finesse for the EPL. He would need to learn to play with more fundamental ball control and passing but if I'm working a deal I think I would go after Paqueta. Think he has a better chance to make an immediate impact by helping us unlock teams that are parking the bus.
     
  24. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    I don't know how valid but I've heard some claims that we may not be getting any Swiss players unless we are in Xhaka's good graces. Supposedly many on the NT look up to him and he is the reason Elvedi & Zakaria chose to sign with M'Gladbach.
     
  25. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reading this morning that Benfica is interested in Paqueta and that Arsenal are "strongly engaged" in discussions for Benfica LW Rafa. Given the expectation for an uptick in player swaps this window maybe Arsenal can be a trailblazer and be the first European team to broker a 3 team swap...

    Torreira to Milan
    Paqueta to Benfica
    Rafa to Arsenal

    Milan gets the CM they supposedly covet
    Benfica gets a young scoring AM to replace the production of Rafa
    Arsenal gets a vet LW with speed that can score and create
     
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