Biden/Trump sexual assault allegations

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  1. yossarian

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    So yeah, as I said earlier. Like Ford, she has outcry corroboration.
     
  2. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    Nothing out of the ordinary? R.I.G.H.T.

    And I love how any character criticism of Biden always gets deflected and the spotlight switched to Trump. That is a pretty low bar. Why not just admit both are pretty sleazy and that it is the D or R behind their name that really matters.
     
  3. Chris M.

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    Nope. There is no equivalence. If sufficient evidence about the one allegation against Biden is produced, then he would qualify as sleazy. There is already pretty good evidence in several of the 25 allegations against Trump, including two rape claims made under penalty of perjury. So, no, they are not equivalent. Given the age of Reade's claims, and the changes to her story, I think the only reasonable path forward with allegations would be additional women coming forward. If Biden did this to her, then there are other women with similar stories out there. There always are. If not, then there is no way to do anything with the allegations as they stand.
     
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  4. VFish

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    Once again the spotlight is shifted.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    It lends credibility to your argument. As far as I can tell, you only care about this because of politics. IOW, you are using her just like you are accusing Biden of using her.

    What you are receiving is because you are not using your thinking skills. (It does not make it right.) From the start, most of us said we need to let people (journalists) investigate. And they have. There is a lot of information which is coming out which makes her accusation suspect. And it is not one thing, but multiple things such as the missing report she claimed she filed (for which she has no record), her employment history in the Biden office, her changing story, her inability to give even an approximate date ("Spring" is not approximate). And I'm not even talking about what others in her office have said, or the other issues with her character, or the questions about her apparently having the tools to know how this works, yet failing to use them. There are so many issues. So many. Did Biden make her feel uncomfortable? I could believe that, it would fit a pattern. But did he do what he is accused of? I was supportive of her at the start, but not any more. Because of all the information which has come out by journalists investigating. You would do well to read the investigations rather than blindly focus on a single idea.

    I think we do know this, but it is a good reminder.

    Nobody has verified the specifics. They talk about her being upset and she clearly has some trauma associated to something, but nobody has concretely verified what she is accusing Biden of doing. Speaking as someone who has worked with older teens who have been sexually abused, there can be a transference of events for a number of reasons. Based on what is known, there are similarities which present. This is not fact, but one thing I am quite certain of is that she did experience some kind of trauma, likely sexual, and likely what she is describing happened to her. But from my experience, I think it happened prior to her working for Biden.
     
  6. Chris M.

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    Ask yourself if the spotlight should have ever shifted off of President Trump with 25 allegations hanging out there unresolved, and many of them credible AND consistent with his own words of what he likes to do with women. Investigate Tara Reade's claim. That is happening as we speak. The idea that the media is protecting him is absurd. There are hundreds of national journalists who would love to get to the bottom of the story, and be the one who resolves the issue. The fact is that her claims are difficult and shifting over time, so the investigations continue, but they are not leading the investigators to concrete evidence. So, no shifting spotlights. There should be two spotlights, or perhaps 26 spotlights as each claim against both men deserve their fair treatment.
     
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  7. charlie15

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    That is a very good investigative report form NPR. Worth a read.

     
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  8. Funkfoot

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    No more funding for PBS...
     
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  9. Kazuma

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    Tweet but this is an in-depth article on Tara Reade as she's known by those who have had contact with her. There's a notable part by an attorney that worked with her that's skeptical.

    The more I learn about Reade, the more skeptical I am of her allegations.

     
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  10. charlie15

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    Just read it and was about to post it as well. She is a really troubled person to say the least.
     
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  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    She said he stuck his fingers in her in a busy senate hallway? Ummkaaay. I mean it's possible I guess.
     
  12. Funkfoot

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    I think she got fired for being incompetent (or the check fraud thing) and told her friends and family that she quit because she was sexually harassed. That's why there is "corroboration." Just my guess.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I don't think false claims against men are that common based on the stuff we've seen with the #metoo movement. But I'm sure they do occur from time to time.
     
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  14. Yoshou

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    Like with all things, there are exceptions, tho. Based on the various reports on people who know and/or have worked with her, she seems like the type who would embellish a story to explain why she was fired rather than saying she was fired due to poor performance.

    That being said, I would not be surprised if the unwanted touching was accurate. That fits in with the pattern of complaints about Biden and it is something that is extremely common for women to experience at work so isn’t something other workers would notice.
     
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  15. charlie15

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    I even doubt that ever happened. First, her stint at Biden's office was relatively short and she was pretty low in the "food chain". It is not like she is a was hanging every day in the senator's inner circle. As I said early on after reading more about her, she is definitely a troubled person. Her story was investigated by the NYT and other outlets and they found nothing substantial.
    Shame on the Grimm, Katie Halper and others at Intercept and Jacobin who used her to score some political points.
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Digital penetration in a busy hallway is a bit much. Even the Clinton haters here would think that Bill wouldn't have the gall to try that. If she said it was in a private office or in a car when Biden gave her a ride home I'd say it's legit.
     
  17. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    So if she invented a better story her account is to be believed, and Biden's is not? I doubt that it what you mean ... maybe you mean her story then stands a better chance of being legit.
     
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  18. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    These situations are very difficult as we saw with Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas. I know Biden is old but he seems not to have known her. Knowing men I tend to think predators display certain patterns like Weinstein.
     
  19. soccernutter

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    As I said recently, I think she probably has some sexual trauma in her life, probably prior to joining Biden's office. And she might have been able to mask or minimize that trauma in a less stressful environment, but the highest levels of government are decidedly stressful. And Biden is also high profile, which would add to the stress. Thus the mental damage done to her from her trauma would surface. Not necessarily overtly, but more like her have job performance issues or not making the best job-related decisions. I would like her to get help, if that is possible.

    Halper in particular needs to be taken to task for this, for being the one who first put out this allegation.

    A few posters have been on this, that there are no other allegations, which is a red flag. And with his long history, I tend to agree that there would be others.
     
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  20. charlie15

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  21. soccernutter

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    It's time to let this drop. It's clear she created a fictional assault by Biden, but digging into her personal life like this is a step too far.
     
  22. ceezmad

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    Digging into the accuser past has to be an all out effort.

    It works, is why lawyers do it.
     
  23. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

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    It is basic, good reporting to do a little cover on verifiable things that a person tells you and frankly doesn't take much.

    Just in case some couldn't or didn't read the tweet.

    [​IMG]
    I've seen businesses call up schools to verify things plenty of times. It doesn't take much.
     
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  24. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Why?

    It's not anywhere near the same as 4chan doxxing Ford
     
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  25. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    I don't think it is unwarranted. Not dissimilar for journos to dig and find out if Biden has an history of sexual assault. Since she seems to have a history of making things up, that is relevant information.
     

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