US women soccer players want equal pay to US men's team.

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  1. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Gotta stay on message for the masses who won't care to find out more detailed info about the ruling.
     
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  2. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I completely agree with you.

    However, the league growing and future generations getting paid more doesn't exactly help all of the 22 CURRENT members of the USWNT get paid more....especially those that are now in the twilight of the national team and professional playing careers. Which is really what their suit has been about since the beginning. They were offered the same deal that the men have, and they declined.

    One thing that is getting lost in all of this is the fact the USSF is so much more then just the senior national teams. If the women win their fight and are awarded the $66M in back pay they claim they are owed....that's $66M less that the federation will have to fund coaching, youth programs, coaching development, etc.*

    *yes, I am fully aware that the Federation has been very incompetent over the years, and there is no assurance that the Fed would spend that money wisely. That said, there are far more important areas for that money to be spent on than 22 individuals, quite a few that won't be members of the team in the near future.
     
  3. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    A future thriving ecosystem of women's professional soccer would provide opportunities to the current generation, just as many of the early generation of male players are still employed in some fashion in soccer.

    It's understandable that some may want to reap the perceived rewards of their labor, and do so now, but the women's game doesn't yet have that kind of economic value.
     
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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biden has jumped in in support of the women without knowing the facts.

    He's obviously trying to look Presidential.
     
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  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Anything to deflect attention from those sexual assault charges.
     
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  6. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Politicians gonna pander, Biden would probably forget all about it within a couple of days.
     
  7. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I couldnt find any mention on ESPN about it. After seeing The Mountain set a weight lift record and an article about college softball I gave up scrolling though. But I agree they are playing for a targeted audience.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. I'm glad they lost.
    2. IANAL, but I think they should have lost.

    However.

    What? The women are obviously better, they have the trophies to prove it.
     
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  9. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's on ESPNFC. With a video of Foudy saying the pay structure is different (mentioning guaranteed money for security) and the women in the last 5 years made more per game. But yet she is disappointed ...

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  10. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, not in terms of soccer skills. They're more successful within the segregated sport of Women's soccer.

    I sell widget A, and sell 100 units. You sell widget B, and sell 1000 units. You could not sell widget A, while I could sell widget B. Who is the better salesperson? It's far from "obvious".
     
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  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    They would not even beat a Men's U15 team.
     
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  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    What I said is the truth no matter what the ruling was.
     
  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh. You're THAT guy. :rolleyes:
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You missed the point.

    They were valued by USSF as at least the same as the men and were offered a deal on that basis.

    They turned it down.

    Then, when they how much more money they could have made they sued USSF for back pay and other frivolous stuff.

    The lawsuit isn't about status, it's about money.
     
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  15. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
  16. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a big Biden supporter, and I hate seeing him do this. "Without knowing the facts" hits the nail on the head.

    The USSF offered the USMNT and the USWNT their choice between cake and ice cream. The USMNT chose cake and ate it. The USWNT chose ice cream, ate it, and then said "Hey, those guys got cake and we didn't. We want some cake."
     
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  17. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Easy to pile on this guy who articulates the lowest baseline crudely, but other than the USWNT two summers every four years, the American consumer hasn’t responded to women’s soccer.

    I’m glad they wanna make money, so make money. This is America.

    I’m just not sure that the Centenario windfall is the women’s to take, just as the USSF shouldn’t have kept more than their share from the COMNEBOL Federations.

    Now it’s a shame all around.

    What a waste of money and energy from the USSF and the USWNT. A period of silence, conservation and reduction from both parties at this time, please.

    But hey, make sure you charge up the A$$ for the next friendly in Carson vs Guatemala!
     
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  18. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biden is grandstanding for political points on a made up issue because he's recently got plenty of bad press when it comes to treatment of the ladies (like Trump) and his Wall Street donors (also ala Donald) want to make the least amount of promises (that he'd break anyway) that would hurt their bottom line.

    Rapinoe just rubbed shoulders with Biden (for once it happens in the other direction) because she's thirsty for enough money to be able to retire comfortably on when the time comes. It's not necessarily going to happen organically from the revenue she and her team generates. Needs to do a favor (hoping it's returned) for a powerful politician, even if she has to compromise principles in the process.

    The USWNT have done great in their category, but so many have shamed themselves in this process for a little bit of money that they'd throw the men's team under the bus in bad faith and do wide-reaching political damage to feed broader identity politics + divide/conquer in society so bankers can slip out the back w/ all the money they scammed from the public for the second time in just over a decade, in addition to what they typically do.

    And the USWNT say they'll fight on, even though their intellectually dishonest narratives were by and large thoroughly exposed. Ain't that admirable.
     
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  19. Pumas111

    Pumas111 Member

    Feb 3, 2014
    Oxnard
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    A lot of people think like that...big deal. Most of the soccer audience views women’s soccer as boring. They will get equal pay when more people tune in to watch women’s soccer leagues.
     
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  20. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    In the end it's all about WC money ...

     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But they were offered equal pay, national team players that is, obviously league players get paid less than the men, although North Carolina's NWSL team get bigger attendances than their male counterparts.
     
  22. SilentAssassin

    Apr 16, 2007
    St. Louis
    I've tried to read as much as I can on this issue, but I haven't been able to find more about the deal the women rejected which was structured the same as the men. A lot of people are interpreting that to mean that they rejected the exact same deal as the men, but is that true? Was it the exact same deal, or was it just a strictly bonus and appearance deal instead of a guaranteed salary plus bonus deal, with different dollar values. If they were offered the exact same deal and rejected it, why on earth were they suing for equal pay?
     
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  23. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    You beat me to it. From my reading they rejected a similar bonus structure to games the USSF controls (ie friendlies), so it would have been very similar to the Australia deal. They did not reject a structure that would have offered them the same World Cup bonuses.
     
  24. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Link?
     
  25. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    #3275 HouseofCards, May 3, 2020
    Last edited: May 3, 2020


    Let's use a little common sense here as well, do you really think the USSF offered the WNT the same World Cup bonuses, and do you really think the WNT rejected that? If you do, I've got some beach front property in Arizona for you!
     

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