News: MLS Suspends season due to Coronavirus

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  1. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
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    Portland Timbers
    I have no desire to go anywhere right now.

    but, to be fair, i had no desire to go anywhere before this whole thing started. So, i am the wrong person to listen to on this one.
     
  2. flange

    flange Member

    Jul 15, 2014
    Portland, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  3. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess the hope is that people will continue masking, gloving, and distancing so flareups don't occur. That should still be mandatory until a vaccine is available. The new normal.

    James
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS reopens training facilities starting on Wednesday.

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-l...-open-outdoor-training-facilities-for-players

    This is, however, not a precursor to restarting the league. Enough players were struggling to keep their physical fitness up that some were resorting to public parks and the league has decided its safer to have tightly controlled facility access than to let players figure it out on their own.

    That restricted access includes no access inside buildings unless undergoing rehab, no restroom access, scheduled individual training times and field quadrants, changing into gear before leaving home, parking in assigned spots with separation between cars, temperature checks on entering the field complex, and daily questionnaires about symptoms and where else the player went.
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Some clarifications on the border issue. It would take a deal between Canada and the US to allow Athletes to cross back and forth.
     
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  6. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Honestly I exercise at home, no excuse not to stay in shape when my gym closed. Surely the players as we have seen around on Instagram and twitter are able to show they can maintain physical fitness at home. I think its just accountability.
     
  7. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Those restrictions look an awful lot like virus theater.
     
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  8. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing is "theatre" as there is actual science and data to back up the why. Until there is an actual vaccine (or testing, tracing, and a serology test that actually works) we need to keep the distance, masking, etc. going.
     
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  9. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    So preventing people from accessing the restrooms to wash their hands is "science"?

    Ooookaay
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have you ever trained with a personal trainer. It's a lot harder than training alone.
     
  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes... In that the entire point is to keep them in a controlled outdoor environment while restrooms are, invariably, indoor facilities.
     
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  12. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Didn’t need one.
     
  13. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1713 jaykoz3, May 1, 2020
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    No offense, you're not a top level elite pro athlete. Their level of "being in shape" is exponentially different then your idea or my idea of :being in shape." Science has shown that an athletes fitness level deteriorates within 2 weeks of a lightened routine. i.e. the season and practice ending.

    There is NO substitute for the competition of sport when it comes to achieving and maintaining an elite fitness level. The lack of competing day in and day out with their teammates for 2 plus months will have a negative effect. No matter how much they train at home, they're not competing against another human being, nor simulating game conditions.

    https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/losing-and-regaining-fitness/

    I played basketball in college. Within 2-3 weeks of the season ending, no matter how much & hard I trained & played, my fitness level was not what it was during the season.
     
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  14. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
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    Oct 11, 2019
    #1714 Klingo3034, May 1, 2020
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    Your science says this...

    I was also unmotivated to run on strange roads, or on the treadmill in the hotel fitness center. As for training in the 100-lap-to-the-mile pool at that hotel—you can’t be serious.

    So I did nothing but enjoy my vacation, and I felt pretty good about it. Until I got back home. A week without training: How much fitness did I lose? How long would it take to regain it?
    I did not know, but I suspected (or hoped) that the scientist quoted in my book (Edward F. Coyle, Ph.D.,) might rise to my defense. I contacted Dr. Coyle at the University of Texas by email, and here is his reply:

    “To make sure I’m up to date, I did a brief lit review on “detraining.” My past work still seems accurate. In fact, one of the best additional studies was done by David L. Costill’s group (at Ball State University) on swimmers, who displayed big drops in oxidative ability after 10 to 12 days. I try to explain it as “a person loses approximately 50 percent of the fitness they have developed when they do absolutely no training for 12 days. There are some adaptations that you keep for at least three months, namely the cardiovascular adaptations of heart size and muscle capillary density.”

    In a different study (quoted in another of my books, Run Fast), Dr. Coyle convinced a group of highly trained runners (who ran 80 miles a week) and cyclists (who rode 250 miles a week) to quit training.

    “Their measured oxygen uptake scores declined rapidly at first,” said Dr. Coyle, “Then less so. Ironically, the best-trained athletes lost the most. Those less-trained athletes had less to lose.” After three months, however, all were detrained.

    That loss can be somewhat avoided if you at least include in your schedule one to three days a week of maintenance training, especially if it incorporates high-intensity exercise that approaches VO2max.


    Of course, high-intensity training carries with it a certain risk of injury. Going from three months of inactivity to 100-meter sprints on the football field is almost certainly a recipe for muscle damage.

    That is one reason why I promote consistency. You don’t need to remain in top shape 12 months of the year, but doing a bit of maintenance work during off periods will help you avoid total fitness loss.

    It’s not your behavior during any two-week period that affects your fitness; it’s more what you do over the other 50 weeks of the year. And during those “other” weeks, I run, I bike, I swim, I walk, I stretch, I strength train. This provides me with a base that allows me to maintain and measure fitness over periods longer than two weeks, longer than 52 weeks, decades rather than years, an entire lifespan if you allow me the widest screen possible.

    Consistency rules the day. That, and the fact that fitness is an attitude as well as being a way of life.


    Like I've said, no excuse. He admitted that he had no motivation to keep working out during his vacation. And in the studies, they asked the swimmers and cyclists to stop training. Thats not the same thing as working out at home! Stop training is pretty much not working out at all. Of course they be out of shape when they just suddenly go back from no training in 3 months to intense training the next day. Thats fallacy right there.
     
  15. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    You dont need to do high level sports to notice the difference.
    Back in the day i would play pick up basketball at least 4 to 5 times a week. Every once in a while i would get bored with it and stop for a month or so. But, i still hit the gym and ran every day. At that time i was running 7 to 10 miles a day 5 days a week.

    despite all that, when i returned to the court, five minutes in and i was ready to die.
     
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Working at home is completely different than working out at a training facility and practicing with and against your teammates everyday. I cannot help you if don't understand this.

    Playing basketball in my parents driveway or at the park is not the same as playing 5 on 5 at my college's facility. It's just not.
     
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  18. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Sorry thats just a bad excuse. You have here in the videos below pros training at home. But not literally always at home. They can be at a football field, soccer field or even a park. These players don't use an excuse, oh I don't have the sophisticated facilities to train at or I don't have my personal trainer to keep me motivated.



     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just what in the holy F*** are you talking about? Excuses? Who said anything about excuses. No one said that these athletes aren't working out. I certainly didn't. We're pointing out that they are going to lose game fitness, sharpness, and readiness though. Working out individually at home is just a different level of intensity (no matter how intense someone works out) compared to competing against other individuals at practice day in and day out. No matter how hard you work out at home, it's very difficult to replicate the intensity level of game situations. If/when MLS returns this year, there will very likely be a 3-4 week mini preseason to get the players back into game shape.

    No matter how hard I worked out over the summer, sometimes 4 hours a day, the first week of basketball practice would kick my ass. Was I in great shape? Hell yeah. Was I in Basketball game shape though? No.

    Why is this so difficult for people to understand?
     
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  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is literally what's said in the report of reopening facilities that they don't want players to do. It increases risk and sets a bad example for the community.
     
  21. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    #1721 Klingo3034, May 1, 2020
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    In the article that contradicts exactly what you mentioned in the first place. YOUR ARTICLE!!!

    "I was also unmotivated to run on strange roads, or on the treadmill in the hotel fitness center. As for training in the 100-lap-to-the-mile pool at that hotel—you can’t be serious.

    So I did nothing but enjoy my vacation, and I felt pretty good about it. Until I got back home. A week without training: How much fitness did I lose? How long would it take to regain it?"

    "That is one reason why I promote consistency. You don’t need to remain in top shape 12 months of the year, but doing a bit of maintenance work during off periods will help you avoid total fitness loss."
     
  22. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Considering many players go training outside and keeping their distance, not sure if there was a bad example in the first place. There is no ban against jogging outside for example.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Physiologically your brain tries to protect your body by telling it to shut down. Trainers/coaches (should) know how to push your body through that stage without injuring you. They push you harder than your own brain will. Now you may have the odd workout that makes you feel in top of the world because you pushed through your limits but to do that consistently, without hurting yourself, you need coaching. This is a generalization which may not apply to you but applies to 99% of the human race.
     
  24. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My current status is total fitness loss. I don’t understand where people find the time. Job at home, three kids at “school”, etc. wake up, walk dog, set up three kids for remote learning, set up work space, feed kids, work, walk dog, set up kids gymastics zoom training, dinner, walk dog, clean up, it is now 10 pm, turn on tv and fall asleep in <15 minutes, rinse, repeat.

    There is no time to make for myself. Shit - I don’t even have hobbies now that soccer is gone.
     
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  25. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm getting in much better shape, but that's largely because I'm single and naturally introverted anyways. I love going for a jog alone and doing some quick workouts at home. Way easier for me to get motivated than running with a group or going to the gym.
     

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