Disagree on 2 points: 1. The "offers won't go away" idea is highly flawed. Look no further than Mazraoui. He went from a giant prospect in Europe people thought could go to any club to a much lower valued player in the span of a year. Ajax has had countless players who at 18-19 look like they're destined for Barca and end up at Utrecht. 2. People think way too much about sporting reasons to go. The #1 reason dest would go is financial. Dest is on his first contract at Ajax (signed before he even played a First Team match). Davies just signed for 5-5.5m Euro/year. Dest has MORE leverage than him is probably making 5-10% of that with his current contract. I would imagine the most Ajax can offer him is in the 1-2m range on a new deal. He would be totally insane to say no to that.
Offers won’t go away the price may change tho. It could down down or up. Unless something crazy happens it won’t drop significantly in a year. Money is def important and something that has to be considered. He also needs to remember if he takes money now and goes to a bad situation it might be harder to get money down the line. If he takes a little less and goes somewhere better for his career he will likely make more long term. In the end he needs to do what’s best for him.
Well if Dest had a season like Maz did this year, the interest of big clubs could sour quick. Soccer is fickle. Bayern is a truly elite team, Barca/Real are bigger clubs and that's about it. I don't think Dest had enough a year to be a sure-fire target of monster clubs if he isn't great next season. I'd agree if we were talking about a difference of a few hundred Euros, something 20-25% more at Bayern. But it's not a little less. It's probably 5x more in terms of a Bayern salary (if not even more than that) than what is possible at Ajax. Turning down the difference between those two contracts would defy all logic.
Big clubs have still been linked to him. This coming transfer window will be different for very different reasons tho. Contract details are things we will never be privy too. Tough to know for sure. All we can do is speculate on contract vs situation.
Maz was injured to start the season and never really got his footing back 100% And he is still getting a decent transfer. But passing on Bayer or any "super-club" is always dangerous. Life is fickle.
Sometimes, yes. But not in this case. It's been widely reported Davies got 5-5.5m Euro/year. Alfonso doesn't have the leverage that Dest has which makes me believe he'd get a similar number. I'd believe Dest would get a transfer bonus too. Dest is on his first Ajax contract which is probably ~150,000 Euro/year. He signed it without playing a first team match so that might be high. Ajax HAD a wage cap of ~1m Euro/year. They broke that but it's very rare for someone to get more especially as young as Dest. So it's very easy to surmise that Dest could easily increase his salary 25 fold and Bayern can offer 5x what Ajax can.
I agree-- but to be honest there are tons of clubs the level of Roma. It's not a dream move for anyone and to be frank-- outside of salary, it's not that much of a step up from Ajax. But salary wise, Roma can offer a lot more I'm sure.
Yea, football is a business and players careers/fortunes are extremely fickle. If I was him, I'd jump at the chance to play at BM. Even if it doesn't offer the best footballing opportunity, the likely 4/5 year contract he would sign should set him and his family up for life if Dest plays it right. Turn it down to take a less aggressive move and go somewhere where consistent 1st team minutes is more likely but for far less wages? It's a huge risk. Maybe you do well and parlay that into a big move for even more money but with what BM will be offering how much more is even realistically possible? or maybe you do poorly and never get that move or maybe you do your ACL stepping out of the shower and are never the same again and make a few years of (relatively) low wages at the bottom of the Eredivisie until you fade into oblivion. It can be a complicated analysis/decision but I think Dest should jump at the money presented. It's literally generational wealth and he and his family should never have to really worry about anything ever again.
Eredivisie has cancelled remaining matches for this season. There will also be no promotion/relegation between the top two divisions.
In anticipation of the financial fallout, Bayern reportedly believe they'll be able to get a better right back for a similar price. https://onefootball.com/en/news/bay...s-been-put-on-hold-29755217?variable=20200424
Looks like Ajax will keep the top spot for the purpose of determining Champions League qualification. However it also looks like the Eredivisie just missed out on automatically sending a team to the group stages next season, so Ajax will have to make it through the play-off round (I believe they would have qualified directly under this season's format).
It's not that I am a denier of the danger this virus has and continues to pose. I'm someone who stocked up my garage in mid-January with non-perishable food and water. I ordered hand sanitizer, lysol and N95 masks for my family in early January. I complained every day that the country and the world needed to do more to prepare for what was coming. But the response has become so politicized at this point that it seems nobody really cares what the science is saying unless it supports their political views. But... Infected fatality rates are coming down significantly with additional testing, as is always the case with pandemics. The exceptions to the rule make headlines and are tragic for the people affected, but this virus is not very lethal for the subset of people who are most likely to attend a soccer game in person. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/globa...ei0MvWl6iMF5vyXnty6Rdx5JDCcU5boZVN8yEuuGNf38Q The vast majority of infections are acquired in nursing homes, private homes (from a family member) and hospitals. Hardly anyone is catching this out in the public and that appears to have been the case even before lockdowns. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ic-began-in-january-study-shows-idUSKCN2262B1 All the major models are indicating there will be very little --if any-- spread of the virus by June 1 for most places in Europe and North America. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america I just don't see why if people want to go watch a soccer game they shouldn't be able to safely do so. Have everyone wear a mask at the game and my guess is that fewer people die as a result of Covid acquired at a game than fights and heart attacks at the game or traffic/pedestrian accidents on the way to/from the stadium.
Outside of a few meat-headed politicians, the response has not been particularly politicized. Bundesliga and La Liga officials have been suggesting no fans in the stadiums until 2021. Singapore has already seen a second wave of cases. Unless strict social distancing is maintained and testing massively ramped up, a devastating second wave of cases is predicted to hit US in the Fall/Winter. https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-second-wave-flu-season.html https://www.espn.com/soccer/german-...ikely-to-be-without-fans-for-rest-of-2020-ceo
I hate doing this, because we already have several threads talking about COVID, but Singapore's situation is tied almost exclusively to the migrant laborers they treat like crap. If you want to learn more about that, please read this article. I agree with the point that the best way to do this is footy without fans for a bit. Most major sports leagues here in the US will likely do the same. I know a lot people across the Bundesliga have major misgivings about resuming play, but I think it's a prime way to put protocols in place on a greater scale which we'll have to do eventually. I do wonder why the Dutch league closed itself off completely though. Haven't compared the two respective COVID levels though. *Oops found it. All events shut down until at least September 1st in the Netherlands.
I had understood Singapore's situation. The US also has the issue of a migrant labor force who are not exactly well-looked after.
I think Dest is a type of luxury outside back that works best for a team like Bayern. Also makes him the type of back they need. Very few teams control possession like they do and that means they need outside backs that can break down defenses and add to the attack a lot more than lesser teams. It would be hard for Dest to go to say Roma and then arouse interest from Bayern and Barca more than Ajax which is sort of the junior team for creating players for the richer clubs that play similarly. If he gets the chance at one of those teams he needs to go.
In addition to cancelling the season, no champion will be declared (Ajax were leading AZ Alkmaar in the table by goal difference). UEFA places however will be decided based on the March 8th standings at the abandonment of play. As a result, Ajax have been awarded a spot in playoff round of the 2020-2021 UEFA Champions League subject to ratification by UEFA. Dest finals stats for 2019/2020 are 5 assists and 1 yellow card in 1,444 minutes in the Eredivisie (20 games, 15 starts); 1 yellow card in 566 minutes in the Champions League (8 games, 5 starts) where Ajax finished third in their Group; 180 minutes and 2 starts in the Europa League where Ajax was eliminated in the Round of 32; 2 goals and 1 assist in 360 minutes (4 starts) in the KNVB Cup where Ajax was eliminated in the semifinals; 90 minutes in an Ereste Divisie start with Jong Ajax; and 90 minutes and a yellow card in a victory in the Johan Cruyff Shield.
Totally agree. Complicated from a sporting perspective, but very easy from a money one. To think that the Bayern offer will be there in 6,12,18 months is naive. There are very, very few spots on top teams. Bayern is at a level that outside of Barca/Real, you can't really get higher than. If they find someone who is a good RB, they ain't moving. It's funny people claimed in the Mendez thread he got "generational wealth" from his Ajax deal (approx. 200,000 Euro for 3 years). That's decent money. But this Bayern Munich contract would actually set up Dest for life: I would think 5-6m Euro/year for ~5 years based off of Davies deal + I imagine a signing bonus. Even if he flames out there, he's young enough to rebuild his career. But that amount of money may never come again.
It depends on if they finish off this ChampionsLleague. If they do, Ajax will be in the GS as long as the CL (and/or EL) winner is in CL GS position in their domestic league. So yeah-- Ajax could potentially get really screwed by this COVID situation in regards to CL-- if there is even a CL next year. I think there are a lot of possibilities: They could also expand group stages, just do a straight knockout of 64 teams (add in the teams who were going to go through qualification), who knows.
I agree but salary hasn't ever been based on skill. It's based on leverage and Dest has more than Davies did when they agreed to his extension.