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Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Phoenix Rising, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Undoubtedly. Had Redondo played in PL, English commentators would have named it "Redondo position". Difference being such a position would need elite on the ball skills combined with elite defensive skills.

    Imo letting Cambiasso go for free in 2004 to free up non EU spot for Walter Samuel who flopped badly had more long-term impact that selling Makelele who skipped training over contract dispute. Cambiasso would have avoided signings like Gravesen and Pablo Garcia.

    We looked good whenever Cambiasso was fit 2003-04. Main issue was 12 starting quality players and cantera kids burning out the squad by March and Cambiasso had injury issues that season.
     
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  2. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    This, 100%.
     
  3. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    This is true.

    What do you think of my Camavinga comparison to Redondo. Watching that video took me back to streaming days... after a while I was like... this is bery similar to two players; Valverde and Camavinga.

    Mainly Camavinga
     
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  4. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    Lol relax. Although Modric is probably a better comparison. Gago might not have been as good but stylistically was similar too.
     
  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I don't know the player enough to have any kind of opinion.
     
  6. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Just having an alternative to Casemiro would be pretty great, badly needed, let's get it done
     
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  7. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    This is what I was expecting to see lol. I need too eh?

    Such an overrated talent and player. Never saw what made him so great besides being Argentinean.

    He was slow, slow on the ball and slow to make decisions. His vision and passing were decent; nothing otherworldly. He wasn't a stamina machine running nonstop either.

    Fair.

    I was expecting you to rip me a new one lol.

    Camavinga is far more than just an alternate CDM
     
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  8. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Lady Gago, massively overrated on RMBS because he was Argentinian and his hair wasn’t too bad. For all of the crap that M. Diarra received, he ended up being a much better player for us.
     
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  9. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
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  10. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Absolute nonsense. Gago was an incredible talent on youth level, he just didn't pan out.
    Diarra practically finished his career after he left Real Madrid.
     
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  11. Akramzizou

    Akramzizou Member+

    Feb 13, 2006
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    Gago I didnt think was ever that great for us, but he was a Redondo clone lol. I think we all just hoped he was better than he was.
     
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  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    He was also destroyed by injuries. He once injured himself in a national team match and was so disappointed that he wanted to go back in and play, kept missing out on national team invitationals etc.

    Not every talent pans out, but Gago was quite spectacular as a young player.
     
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  13. Prit Javier

    Prit Javier Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    May 9, 2018
    Cambiasso should have stayed but we were just trimming our squad at the time and neglecting players and that stupid Woodgate move was a waste of money. Helguera, Samuel with Cambiasso would have been fine.
     
  14. Prit Javier

    Prit Javier Member+

    Real Madrid
    England
    May 9, 2018
    Gago was good at boca thats why we went for him but after a few seasons here it just didnt work out.
     
  15. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
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  16. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Incredibly overrated.

    It isn't like we were watching his Boca matches before he arrived at Madrid. What we saw is what he was. Brutally overrated and slow.
     
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  17. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Gago never developed after he left Argentina. He never evolved his game. At his age, he was very good, but didn't get better. At the end of the day, he lacked the creativity for the role he was supposed to play, and never did anything else particularly well.
     
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  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    As far as i'm concerned he could have developed into a player like Kroos, with the main difference being that Toni Kroos was developed by Heynckes, and then by Guardiola while nobody really helped Gago make any further steps, and we were in a phase back then where we needed players right there and then.
     
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  19. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    If that's the case any player with talent when young could be developed into Kroos is certain coaches have them while young.

    I wonder why there aren't many more Toni Kroos
     
  20. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Because every single piece has to fall into place for a player to fully unfold his potential.

    Marcelo doesn't become the player he eventually became if he joins Schalke.

    I'm not saying Gago would have become a superstar but he joined a club in crisis, got one serious injury after another and never truly recovered.
     
  21. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Marcelo and Higuain developed well and they came in the same January window from South America. Gago had good talent but probably lacked the mental toughness as well as workethic. Marcelo always had the mentality to succeed and workrate on defensive end improved to satisfactory level under Mou for an offensive LB. Higuain was always a hardworker, but never could get over big game nerves which is the only thing that held him back from having a legendary career instead of a very good one.
     
  22. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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  23. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    This is false. There isn't any perfect scenario in life so to expect perfection in order to become elite is asinine.

    You don't know that.

    Kroos is a superstar.

    This is what you said:

    That is precisely what you're saying and it's wrong. All the Heynckes and Guardiola's in the world couldn't make Gago even come near Kroos.
     
  24. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
    Don't really see it, quite a few players have the talent but not the mentality or the brains to make it.
     
  25. fierro

    fierro Member+

    Jan 30, 2007
    El Chuco
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    Gago's "peak" level was basically as a starting midfielder in a scrappy, come from behind La Liga winning team. That's a respectable achievement in itself, add to that a runaway title win in the second of consecutive seasons and I'm not sure how its even disputed that he's not a bona-fide champ.

    He was basically the Lucas Vasquez of that team, a guy who due to lack of awareness of his own limitations was completely unfazed in high pressure situations and delivered a solid 6/10 performance everytime.
     
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