NSR: Coronavirus: A global Pandemic.

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  1. celito

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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    THE UK’S INSTITUTE FOR HEALTH AND METRICS REVISES DOWN NUMBER OF PREDICTED DEATHS FROM CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK FROM 66,000 TO 37,000.
     
  2. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    ALL CAPS? TRUMP MOMENT?

    That is good news, though.
     
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  3. celito

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    Palmeiras
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    Feb 28, 2005
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    Copy and paste ... lazy to re-type it :laugh:
     
  4. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    I was reading on a different blog that Easter is a massive money making day for churches, with attendance doubling or tripling. Apparently donations on Easter are five times that of other Sundays apart from Christmas. So it makes all more sense now.
     
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  5. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

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    Columbus
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    UnitedHealthcare has been offering telehealth to its members for years, even the Medicare and Medicaid recipients.
     
  6. LastBoyscout

    LastBoyscout Member+

    Mar 6, 2013
    To be fair the Swedes do take their civil liberties pretty seriously. For example they had to draft a new law that enables the government to even enact the measures that other countries have already imposed. The new law will only be valid for a few months and still doesn't cover general curfews for example.

    Meanwhile in Germany the constitutional court has ruled that all imposed measures by local or federal politicians are covered by the preexisting infectious disease laws and are not unconstitutional, things could actually be escalated even further.

    Sweden might have been unwilling to impose some things but apparently they also had a lack of legislation to enable them to do so quickly as well.
     
  7. russ

    russ Member+

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    But what are the numbers on utilization?
    How much primary care needs to bebrick and mortar?
     
  8. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Maybe they will end up alright for that. Sweden's numbers have been rising but better today, and they are FAR better than those of Belgium, which has a similar population. So, who knows?
     
  9. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    That's a much larger and more complicated question than you probably wanted it to be.
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Cleveland Clinic has been doing forms of it for a while.
     
  11. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Yeah,we are taking part in a grant for our houses.
    My point is this crisis is an opportunity to ramp this up and scale it specifically for people who are chronically ill and need regular monitoring .
    My fear is this is taking a rent out of someone's pocket and they will lobby lawmakers to make it difficult to implement
     
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  12. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Yes, but Belgium is not a country that you want to be compared to. I'm not sure the reasons, because their health care system is ranked very high, but they've had it worse so far than every other European countries other than Spain and Italy, with 202 deaths per million. Netherlands also has suffered a high number of deaths, slightly below France and above the UK. Then comes Switzerland, followed by Sweden. The other Scandinavian countries have fared better than Sweden so far.
     
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  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yes, but the point remains that some of virus patterns remain unexplained. Belgium went into lockdown 3 1/2 weeks ago and is getting whacked far more than Sweden. It's a curious thing given that the two countries are a similar size, have similar wealth, and are geographically fairly close.
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Argentina
    A factor could be that some of these smaller countries are better at reporting than others, making their numbers appear worse. I read an article that said Belgium reported more non-hospital coronavirus deaths than most other countries.

    This could also be a factor at the local level, even in the US. I am told for example that in California Santa Clara County has a more extensive reporting system than some neighboring counties, like Alameda and San Mateo. And Santa Clara has more reported cases and deaths than any other Bay Area county. And, the Bay Area as a whole is testing at higher rates than Southern California.
     
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  15. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Almost certainly that is one of the explanations.
     
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  16. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
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    Note this article is from October 2019, well before the COVID-19 outbreak.

    https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/pa...ata-analytics-digital-tools-for-its-nearly-6m

    It makes sense for all parties to do telehealth. The issue I have had with my clients specifically is having the technology available to them because not everyone has a computer/smart phone.
     
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  17. blissett

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    Aug 20, 2011
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    Belgium
    - Area: 30,689 km2 (11,849 sq mi)
    - Density: 376/km2 (973.8/sq mi)

    Sweden
    - Area: 450,295 km2 (173,860 sq mi)
    - Density: 23/km2 (59.6/sq mi)

    From just Wikipedia.
    Not saying that it explains it all, but "distancing" looks a little easier in Sweden, doesn't it? :coffee:

    (Also: for records, Netherlands have an even higher density than Belgium. Anyway, I guess it's clear that there are a lot of factors involved in the spread of the virus and it's difficult to factor all of them in for each country. My density argument was just a mere exemple of the complexity laying beneath).
     
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  18. ceezmad

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    Daily show on coronavirus and black people.

     
  19. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    It's an issue particularly in rural areas.
    Also,in my case,I had to go for lab work but that took 5 minutes as it's around the corner from work and I was the only one there.
     
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  20. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yet another almost certainly correct explanation. The density numbers aren't effectively that dramatic, because large parts of Sweden are unoccupied, so the occupied part looks somewhat more like Belgium's numbers. But certainly even that part is less densely populated than is Belgium.
     
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  21. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
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    Obviously some things, like bloodwork, require an in-person visit.

    As for access in rural areas, I work in Appalachia quite frequently and rarely have wireless access issues with my iPad.
     
  22. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
    Capitol Hill
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    DC United
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    No he won't. Or, more precisely, you'll think he did, but the majority of American voters won't.

    Most people here don't care about facts. They don't care if you're eloquent. They don't care if you know what you're talking about. It's much more important to be someone that people can't look away from.
     
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  23. russ

    russ Member+

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    <cries in Adirondack Park>
     
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  24. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
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    I dunno. I think of Milton as someone who is doing a lot of interesting things and is getting more and more attention. Just like Frederick Douglas.
     
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  25. ceezmad

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    I saw a headline, not a single patient went there, how long was it working?
     

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