Biden is a better candidate than Hillary but still something doesn’t sit right with me regarding Biden. Idk if going socialism is the way but I for sure want changes that are left leaning like universal healthcare, education reform (these universities gotta be checked, outrageous costs), tax reform, and etc. I’ll never understand right leaning folks making minimum wage still fighting changes that would benefit them.
Plenty of them show more costs than at this point. Given additional tens of millions insured, and "free" being floated around which provides massive incentive , i am leaning more towards "believing" that studies.
Healthcare and education should be free or very, very cheap, this isn't even worth discussing. And i'm a huge capitalist at heart, but there's some areas of life where (democratic) socialism is the way to go.
Fck it, let`s make everything "free"! Starting with that premium batch of parfumes you are hiding in your basement Eddie!
Massive incentive to do what? Why would people waste their time going to a doctor if they’re not ill just because it’s free? Did you go to school more than you had to because it’s free? These same fears were raised when the NHS came into place in the U.K. in the post war period. There was an initial increase in levels of demand in the period after it came into force, which led to prescription charges for some things, but that demand soon levelled off as people realised that it was there to stay. It’s like people stockpiling food in this coronavirus situation, there was a massive initial surge but as soon as people realised the food wasn’t going to run out they stopped stockpiling huge amounts.
I really believe its just language. Like people will say some highways and bridges have tolls while others are "free". Free here means free beyond federal and state taxes.
If there was an option to receive additional education - above standard for free? For example Spanish lessons, fck yeah i would go. In case of industry such as medical it is even simpler. Sheer amount of different medical services available, plus people in the West being hypochondriac? Put that "free" sticker on it, and see what happens. Especially given the nature of America, which already struggles with prescribing treatments and medication despite situation does not call for it. Which substantially inflates the cost. Or maybe i am wrong, and Bernie, Warren and others have a point. When that happens, i will gladly extend you mea culpa.
You may have a point about education, but health? Who the f*ck goes to the Doctor for fun? It's one waiting room after another. Not fun. Education can be interesting/fun, but you can always put limits on the extent to which its "free". In any case, I feel that if you are looking for reasons why health and education shouldn't be "free" then you are doing it wrong.
I am an Arab who lives in the Middle East. I percieve that European, socialist systems are 100x more ethical than most economic systems. Healthcare and education are basic human rights that everyone should have access to. Yes the government would have to subsidize them. And yes the middle and upper class would have to pay crazy taxes. Yet that is the most honorable sacrifice. In such systems the vast majority have good chances of success given acess to education Also, the vast majority have access to good healthcare which pertains their dignity when they're at their weakest. In such settings, the successful who work crazy hours and are super good at what they do; help society as a whole to persevere. These countries have the best standard of living and longer life expectancies under normal circumstances. In extraordinary circumstances such as Corona, authoritarian structures regardless of whether the country economic system is communist, socialist or capitalist will have the most success in controlling the outbreak. Where I live we have a constitutional monarchy that was under heavy scrutiny. That scrutiny is no more because of how they dealt with the COVID-19 outbreak and controlled it by implementing martial law... People now have regained faith in government, especially after seeing the disaster that is occurring in America the great. Btw, Janos where are you from?
None of this has to do with Capitalism or Socialism; it has to do with politicans being controled by lobbyists. Lobbyist who work for big industries like Pharmaceutical, Medical, Weapons, etc. Again, I don't think some of you understand this subject.. What you are advocating right now would screw you even more and you can't even see it. It would split your current earnings in half while demanding more percentage tax burden. Seriously, I wish people were more informed. The same people who will vote a Republican who claims to cut taxes but only gives wealthy the bug cuts are no different than the people who think moving to a socialist society will magically make things free, affordable with their current wahe structure. Medical care for all doesn't not mean socialism. The fact you think the government needs power shifted back to them is even more crazy. They have the power. They're the ones who deregulated to the point it allowed Big Pharma and co to inflate things to the point it made their industries gold mine wild west scenarios. It isn't about taxation and breaking the country. It's about regulation and better management of our already enormous resources. This world (not just US) problem is people get mad and they attack. They don't even understand what they are attacking. Blind outrage is just as harmful as blind support.
People demand free education while ignoring these Universities are allowed to have these crazy bloated endowements yet charge king's ransoms for education all while enjoying exemptions and special statuses with the government. They have inflated to cost of extended education without resistance from Congress, Senate or the President... and that includes Obama and Clinton. Will taxing the crap out of everyone earning more than 50k change that? Heck no. All it would do is give these vampires more blood to suck. People really need to understand who and what their target is... not just be swept up by rhetoric and dream scenarios without real application to understand the true ramifications.
Pardon, but where exactly have you seen fun-> doctor in my post? Fear or concern is quite an effective incentive to go towards doctors office. You know what is another incentive? "Free" shit. You can continue using the same misnomer, and still won`t change a thing. Nothing is free. Now, if you are making the argument that it should be, well that is a different story. So which one is it?
Yeah, let's go the capitalism way with the Police and the Fireman too, so the next time someone's in trouble they need to pay the cops/fireman if they want their help. Some services should be "free", most important of those are healthcare and education. In the long term it will provide a better life for everyone in every aspect.
Again, sounds like digging for reasons not to give everyone access to proper health care. The $20 co-pay that I pay now each time I visit my Doctor has zero effect on how many times I visit him/her. Don't even know what your point is anyway. With private health care you also don't have any limits in terms of # of visits you can make to the Doctor or anything like that. You can see a Doctor every day if you're that bored and full of fear. Just to be clear, I'm not one of the posters using that misnomer, I just see a lot of back-and-forth in the past few pages of this thread. "Its free" / "You're still paying for it." Trying to encourage people to move beyond that...
Hell I’m not even demanding free education but capping the cost lol. But free education isn’t bad either TBH, better for the nation overall if everyone was educated. Looking at how much we pay in taxes and where it goes, I don’t believe it’s unaffordable. Hell look at how easily the government is bailing out these businesses and Wall Street before.
Biden apparently is trying to appeal to Bernie's crowd As soon as Bernie dropped out, Biden now announced he wants to forgive student debt for low-income and middle-class individuals (earning $125K or below) who have attended public colleges and universities or HBCUs + give EVERYONE a $10,000 Coronavirus balance credit.
I remember my Mother having to wait 2 or 3 months to get something treated in the late 80s in Canada ... don't remember for what. I was a kid back then.
Not better for everyone. This trick has been used since the early ages. Dumb-down the general public in order to make it easier to take advantage of them. Keep them busy doing peon tasks and they won't have time to think or ask questions. The cost of giving everyone a right to a good education is that more people will have the ability to base their thoughts on facts and reason. Not good if you're trying to dupe them. Better off keeping them dumb and tell them to stick with their faith and that in the next life things will be better for them. Riiiiiight....
Biden is part of the system. His son on board in Ukraine gas company and Chinese capital company says it all. The one thing I like that Trump is doing is standing up to China.
I just remember her saying in Brazil she'd see a doctor much quicker ... a private one that is. But I guess Canada also has private options.
Anyone with half a brain cell knows that “free” in this context means “free at the point of delivery, but paid for in the aggregate through general taxation.” Calling it a misnomer is like saying universal healthcare in the American context is a misnomer because not everything in the universe gets it.