- Edit I thought I wrote I used ignore, but re-reading it I did not (typo I guess). My apologies. I did... it's in the paragraph you quoted. I like listening to all sides actually, so I didn't initially is all. I did try to meet halfway in one of my later posts (I believe that the foundation of our disagreement was around the data and whether it was of any use). He went on the attack even harder after that and I stopped caring.
I did some intense research into anti-malarial drugs about ten years ago, and that sounds like mefloquine/Lariam (which is associated with psychiatric disorders), effective but with lots of side effects. The other serious contenders were doxycycline (but many strains of malaria are resistant) and malarone, which seemed to be a good balance of efficacious without serious side effects. The cloroquines are not really contenders any more because they aren't that effective against malaria.
This is being widely reported by a variety of sources, including non-MSM (Kaiser Health). Given that many of us first became aware of the virus in December, it's not surprising that it first emerged as a threat in November.
Now I have to confess that I don’t remember the name of the drug, and it was a long, long time ago. That is, Spring 1980. Dang. And I really should have dated someone else, but that’s another story. Go Quakesfans!! - Mark
You knew it was bound to happen. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/us/toilet-paper-family-fight-arrest-trnd/index.html When a friend dropped off some homemade masks she also included a roll of toilet paper as a little joke. When I texted her back to thank her, my comment was, "thanks for the thoughtful and generous gift, but, are you sure you can spare this? The toilet paper that is!"
I saw a report on this (MSNBC). It seems that the problem is one of supply chains. Under normal circumstances, we go out to work, school, restaurants, and such and we use toilet paper outside of our homes. The manufacture or toilet paper for commercial outlets is completely separate from the manufacture of toilet paper for consumer use. It’s even different companies, and at least different manufacturing facilities, and then the distribution networks are separate also. So, basically, we’re all using more of the residential stuff and less of the commercial stuff, and that’s what leads to the lack of supply. Which is nice actually, because now I don’t think quite so poorly of my neighbors. This also means that we’ll see other odd-ball shortages of various things, and that it’s not actually hoarding behavior, at least, not necessarily. Go Quakesfans!! - Mark
Since I hadn't foreseen the need to hoard toilet paper and since there are five of us, I finally broke down and paid $45 for 12 rolls on ebay. They're supposed to arrive tomorrow, two weeks later! I expect they will be the worst quality ever, which will encourage family to use even less.
No doubt it was "possible" that this seafood pneumonia issue "could" lead to a cataclysmic event, just as it was possible I could have one the lottery in December, had I played. The issue is probability. You were aware that it was a novel coronavirus in December 2019, when WHO was not? WHO and China on January 5, 2020 called it "pneumonia." https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-january-2020-pneumonia-of-unkown-cause-china/en/ Given that human to human transmission is the risk involved associated with distinguishing a local problem into a pandemic, are you saying you were aware in December of such transmissions, when the WHO was not? From above January 5, 2020 WHO news bulletin: According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market. Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported. You were aware of the probability of a pandemic before the doctors in the United States were, who only became aware of human to human transmission in late January 2020, right before Trump issued the China travel ban? Interesting https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191?mod=article_inline
Because you are assuming the reporting was incorrect and they will never admit they were wrong, or because they got it right?
It’s hard to fault the Trump administration for not being quick on the uptake. However, by late January, we knew this was serious. By mid-February the administration should have been taking this more seriously. If they had still had a group focused on possible pandemics, they might have. The current mismanagement and contradictory statements and distortions coming out of the whitehouse are appalling. Not that I’m shocked mind you, just disgusted. And there was plenty about the Obamanation administration that pissed me off too. This isn’t blind hatred of Republicans on my part. I’m an equal opportunity critic. GO Quakesfans!! - Mark
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/arti...Y0n4OY-wd5kfOQfLmB0F43btwigLnMgOOvuyA7OZQS-HA if this has been discussed already, forgive me, I missed it. Looks like Stanford Medicine is looking into the possibility that the Bay Area was exposed to this virus last fall, much sooner than thought (CA was welcoming as many as 8000 Chinese nationals daily into our airports, back then), and possibly developed some herd-immunity which has contributed to the reduced impact in our area. Just a hypothesis at this point but could be some validation for the points @don gagliardi has been taking so much flak for.
Responsible journalists issue retractions and or corrections as necessary. We’ve seen that with nearly every mainstream media outlet.
Don't know if it's been posted in another thread, but multiple Bay Area outlets stating, per SCCO Jeff Smith, that don't expect sports here in SCCO until at least Thanksgiving?....
This is very interesting. My Evergreen neighborhood has a large Chinese community, including my next door neighbors; they were in China last August. I've read stories about "that cough you had in December..." perhaps being Covid-19. Didn't think much about it, until now. You never know...
No doubt they are correct that it was possible that I could win the lottery in November. I could also win it today! Or could I? Is that an essential service . . .
I hope it's true. My wife swears she had it already while I was out of the country. The symptoms were mild comparatively... she has bad asthma/allergies so who knows. As mentioned in the article the only way to know is testing. Scaling the creation, distribution and processing of those tests will not be easy. I'm disappointed not to hear more about any of that from Newsom. How about a scale test in Santa Clara County? We were CA's first hot spot, one of the largest destinations for Asian travelers, we have the money and technology to scale the testing process and we'd be a good bellwether for other counties across the US.
And full disclosure, I didn’t take this very seriously until March, and I read those scary pandemic books back in the middle ‘90’s. Heck, my wife and I went to Astoria the first weekend in March as we do every year. No one was telling me to panic about the pandemic, so I didn’t. And partly, I reasoned that the virus was still contained (more or less) to the Seattle area. It hadn’t spread yet (to my then current knowledge). Yes, I should have been more concerned and I should have canceled our Astoria trip. But to be irresponsible about it now is not OK. Go Quakesfans!! -Mark
Interesting article in Statnews today -- https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/09/doctors-fume-at-government-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic/ -- even the president's supporters are not happy with his mismanagement. I don't know why so many of you are questioning the November timeframe, which fits well with the rising and apparent incidence in China in December. When Stanford releases its results -- soon! -- we'll have some idea of how prevalent the virus has been in our area. I'm sure you're all also aware of newly reported reinfection observed in both Korea and China. So patients may or may not develop adequate antibodies to prevent recurrence, which shoots the herd immunity theory.
I'm glad there are different testing approaches to solving this problem. https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058