The 2020 Election Mega Thread

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  1. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
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    Accurate. I know some old hippies who went to high school with Mitt Romney and another few who children of prominent lawyers and the like.

    A lot of them have done good in their lives.
     
  2. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
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    Reading the DemExit hashtag on Twitter is killing my braincells...
     
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  3. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Yeah...stay away from Twitter. It is a complete shitshow at this point.Mehdi Hassan of all people is getting roasted by some dead enders and bots.
     
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  4. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Like, in the absolute best-case scenario, you succeed in creating a leftist splinter party and hand power over to people like Trump, Cotton, Cruz, for decades before you realize you're completely screwed over and re-merge. As a Canadian I've seen what happens to splinter parties; they hand power over to the other side indefinitely until they re-merge.
     
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  5. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Soooo... when can we expect to start seeing results from Wisconsin?
     
  6. xtomx

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    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    6 days, according to the local news in Wisconsin (I checked this afternoon).
     
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  7. Chesco United

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    DC United
    Jun 24, 2001
    Chester County, PA
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    If Bernie had campaigned on pro/rel, he would've won.:confused:
     
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  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    538 with a “Why Sanders lost” article.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-bernie-sanders-lost/

    Comes down to failing to broaden his base among young and white voters, over reliance on young voters coming out in numbers, a belief that white working class voters were attracted to him by his policy and because they were anti-Clinton, and Dem voters being leery of voting for a for a Democratic Socialist.
     
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  9. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    I was more interested in the length and number of lanes.
     
  10. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    No argument here....

    His blind spot...was believing in the youth vote. The very people that are #demexit, their demographic failed Bernie...had they show up Clyburn might not havebeen enough
     
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  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
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    Naw. Youth vote was a small factor. They didn’t show up in numbers, but it’s not like the drop from 2016 was a massive one. Just a few percentage points here and there. The anti-Clinton vote switching to the “Not Bernie” faction was a bigger loss, imho.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    I think he means Bernard believed he could deliver unprecedented youth vote turnout

    This is like a holy grail that never comes off
     
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  13. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Canada
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    But if one looks at the demographics of the age gap, Bernie was slaughtering Joe in younger demos as much as, if not more than, Joe was slaughtering Bernie in older demos. The difference was that older people turned out at a high rate, as they usually do, while youth turned out at a low rate, as they usually do. Bernie's argument was that he could turn out the youth. The youth vote being a small factor as usual was precisely the problem for Bernie.
     
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  14. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
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    I hate it so much that young people like myself don't do politics. The sea change in political thought and understanding that would take place if young people voted at the same rate as older people would be transformative for the entire paradigm of the nation. The fact that it doesn't happen is a huge indictment on milennials and Gen Z as a whole.
     
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  15. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Both of these are certainly fair, but that doesn’t explain the massive swing between 2016 and 2020. The youth vote was only a few percentage points off 2016, but Sanders was losing by 20+% of his vote percentage from his 2016 numbers.
     
  16. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    I agree with you here about #neverHillary voters.

    He should have reached out to Warren and Yang when they dropped out. He should have stopped pussyfooting around with Biden. He should have reached out to Clyburn...

    I don’t feel like he showed any teeth. He’s the outsider, why NOT take the gloves off.

    I hope the postmortem IDs what went wring and whoever the next “Berniecrats” is goes all out. It’s politics, deal with the fallout afterwards.

    Damn shame.
     
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  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    That and believing that the white working class would vote on economics. That hasn't happened since the Seventies, except for a bit under Bubba, and even there I think the attraction was as much cultural affinity as it was economics.
     
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  18. xtomx

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    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Isn't the whole point of a "holy grail" that it "never comes off"?

    I agree about Sen. Sander's failed hoped for a youth 'revolution'
     
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  19. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    That should be a lesson to be learned for whoever who will pick up the mantle from Sanders. You need to broaden your coalition to win, purity and intransigence are not recipes for success.
    On a related note, the Bros dead-enders are on a tear in social media since yesterday. I tried to engage with a couple and it is mission impossible. Those people are living in an alternate universe.
     
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  20. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    I had a few “I was where you are in 2016” interactions....

    Useless. They’re still all wound up. Good thing is that we have much more time between now and Nov.
     
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  21. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
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    I know your heart is in the right place but I think this is a bad idea right now. Give it a couple of days.
     
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  22. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
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    Oh.....They will need more than a couple of days. A few will be gone forever.
    On that note, Bernie was pretty gracious toward Joe and Jill Biden last night on Colbert. He mentioned that his goal from the beginning was to make sure Trump is out of power in Nov and will do everything in that regard (not verbatim). He also said the two campaigns are talking in response of a question about endorsement.
     
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  23. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    FC Bayern München
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    This is a long shot...at best


     
  24. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
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    Not if Biden can't raise money. I've always thought that the winner of this should allow the loser to pick the Veep and help staff up.
     
  25. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
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    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I guess it depends on how sincere both sides are about unifying...there are agitators among both campaign staffs

    I saw the story about the HFA “party” after Sanders suspended....I guess Sanders supporters aren’t the only ones with long memories/grudges
     

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