Upamecano won’t be an easy acquisition. To go from starter to 4th cb would be a tough ask. There are probably clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, or even Man City that can offer him a starting job immediately.
Great idea but how much would he play when Ramos or Varane will complain if they sit more than a match? People were ripping Zidane about Militao not playing enough, how can we fit another very good CB who will expect to play a great deal? I know some will say "rotation" but after this season we know better... and it isn't just Zidane. These players don't want to sit and if they do it becomes a media shitstorm club problem.
Yup that's definitely a concern, but given Ramos' age and the general injury history of Varane, there is a lot of playing time to be had here.
This isn't true and you know it. You literally ignored the part where these players don't want to rest and don't like to sit for more than a match. They are the first to demand continuity in their play and would blame the lack of it for their form. So again, we would habe four starting quality CBs. How do we make that work?? Serious question.
And the coach would be the first to complain if we give him 11 great starters and then a bunch of scrubs to play. It's the coach's job to manage the squad and lay out the roles of each player at the beginning of the season. You can't expect a well rounded squad and then blame lack of squad management on the starters not willing to sit.
There has been a genuine phasing out of Modric from the starting lineup. Fede and Luka have practically the same amount of minutes across both La Liga and the Champions League. When is this, if ever, going to happen to Ramos? He’s recently turned 34 years old, he is still a top cb, his leadership is priceless, but it did feel like he’s lost half a step. However, I don’t think his personality will accept a diminished role like Modric has.
I feel like it's unnecessary and wasteful to sign him this summer, when he'd be 4th choice. Why not sit down with him and encourage him to sign with us in January on a Bosman? Ramos will be 35.5 next August, that's when the opportunity will arise.
I never said we should do this so I don't understand the application here? This is nice and fine in theory. Then when the season starts and we rotate too much we have players complaining about mistreatment, estoy triste, etc. All I have done is ask for a plan that makes this work. It is no differ from me pointing out Cherki wouldn't work just bringing him into the team and Cristiano wouldn't work because he wouldn't embrace heavy rotations or a "statesman" type role. I like Upamecano, so it isn't like I don't like the player. I just want a situation that works and simply saying "rotate" doesn't make it work and means you're not taking everything into consideration.
Now this could actually work. He needs to continue to play and at his level it would be odd to sign him and loan him elsewhere. If we were to sign him on Bosman, that hoepfully gives us time to flesh other things out.
This is not FIFA or FM. You can't have four starting level quality players for the CB positions. It's excessive and would lead to conflict. You still haven't said how Zidane or any manager could manage this situation. You just demand he perform magic.
I dont think you can have 4 starter quality cornerbacks at once, and we already have 3. When Ramos actually starts showing his age, we should start looking to sign someone. Until then I doubt any genuine talent will want to come sit on our bench or get loaned out.
Zidane hasn't been able to manage 3 starting CBs, nor 2 starting quality strikers. That will be a year, possibly 2 years, too late. You don't build a squad around when players start to show decline, it is when you anticipate them to show decline.
Ideally, but how many times have we ever done that successfully? Other than Navas sitting on the bench for Iker, I cant think of many cases of us bringing in a top player and slowly phasing them into the starting 11. It seems we either bring them in young and unestablished enough to accept a bench role (Marcelo, Higuain, Casemiro, Varane, VJ) or we just sign them when we need them then its sink or swim (Tibo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal, Kroos, Hazard). Illara (Xabi was 33), Jovic (Benz was 32), and Ceballos (Modric was 32) all came in hot but never made it out of the bench, because players ahead of them were untouchable. Same thing will happen to Upamecano.
Varane, Benzema, Marcelo came in and won significant playing time right away. If we can't guarantee him enough playing time to progress his development, there is nothing stopping us from buying him now and loaning him out for a year.
AS: Zidane has chosen Camavinga (a mix between Casemiro & Kante) if Pogba doesn't arrive this summer. It's not exactly a Plan B but Zidane recognizes how important a 'Makelele' is for a team and must be a clear option for the future in the same way Varane was brought years ago.— M•A•J (@Ultra_Suristic) April 8, 2020 Rennes coach Julien Stéphan: "If Camavinga should leave this summer? My wish is that he continues so that I can continue training at the club. Here he will improve because there are people who know him very well. Then it will be time to 'fly' to a more exclusive club."— M•A•J (@Ultra_Suristic) April 8, 2020
Nacho is perfect 4th CB choice. If Ramos announces his retirement tomorrow and Militao demands a transfer, then we can talk Upamecano. Otherwise the kid isn't coming here to rot on the bench when other clubs can offer higher wages and a starting position. We already have a second team away on loan, we can't sign every other available player out there.
What does that have to do with having four starting level CBs and managing them? Would you have us fire Zidane so Pooch can show us all how to keep 4 starting CBs happy?
Well, simply, if he can't manage 2 forwards, or 3 CBs, he can't manage anything beyond that number. BTW, the link is directly linked to him. He's asking for these players. If he can't manage to keep everyone happy, then we have to plan around (sign and loan back) that because the club needs to start planning for a stage where Ramos won't be a starter for us.