News: 2020 Season and Virus Talk

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by nbrooks503, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    here we go with the “this all would have happened anyways - but let’s still blame Trump somehow” line. Figure coming from Maniac
     
  2. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    The basic point for me is that we have already crossed the line. 6.6 million are jobless, the economy is already wrecked, that argument is now moot. Might as well try and stamp the damn thing out.
     
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  3. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
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    Sorry, one more. Not to nitpick, but people continue to go to the flu for comparisons, but these numbers are apples to oranges. Statistically, for you to get deaths from a virus you first need to have a build up in cases. That takes time. Then, deaths lag around 2 weeks behind that. Our buildup of cases happened over the second half of March. Deaths are now starting to build up rapidly. As of yesterday we're up to 2000 a day.

    With the flu, by the time you get to March it has been raging for 4 months. You've already had that buildup in cases.

    You want to compare numbers? In the last 5 days 6,765 people have died from COVID-19. As of right now, total deaths stand at 14,420. If we're really lucky, we're going to top out at somewhere around 50,000 within the next couple of weeks. That's a really successful outcome given how late we got started.
     
  4. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You would be wrong to assume that using a transit country to get into the US is difficult to track. It is not, and has not been for at least 30 years (at least when an individual flies in). Since the 1990's just about every airline has cooperated with the US government (previously US Customs now DHS-CBP) in providing travel data, travel data is also gleaned from the various countries that cooperate with the US and share it on a real time basis. Once you board an aircraft for the US that data is immediately transmitted to the US and is combined with other information for targeting purposes. Uncle Sam knows exactly who you are and where you have been.

    Not exactly sure what your point is here - we haven't used the Ellis Island quarantine station for eons. My experience was that we were handed a form to fill out which asked questions for the CDC and it asked the person filling it out that if they had been to one of the designated areas to voluntarily self quarantine for 14 days, which is what we did even though at the time the UK was not on the list.

    As for the bans sounding great on tv but reality being different - why then has the whole of Europe and most of the rest of the world adopted those bans?

    And Portugal being pretty safe - how could anyone possibly know that when you point out that there were possibly asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic folks all over the place.

    I don't understand your point on the ban on Chinese ("Moreover, it didn't ban Chinese from coming to the US, just banned if they had been in China in the past 2 weeks") - the ban was on non residents who had been in China during a certain time period. Why would there be a ban on Chinese?
     
  5. DynamoManiac

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    Jan 27, 2014
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    For example, if you board, say, Chongqing Airlines (which doesn't fly to the US) to Hanoi, stay a couple of days then book any airline to the US, the government knows where you were outside of the fact that you're flying from Vietnam to the US?



    My point is they are better than nothing. No reason not to do them, but they aren't half as effective as people would like you to believe.


    You're ultimately banning Chinese. When you carve out who it didn't apply to, 90-95% of the remaining people flow were Chinese. That's neither here nor there. My point was that there's a huge number of people in China that have permanent resident status in the US or a US passport and that either live in China or were back in China for what is one of the two biggest holidays of the year. Lunar New Year was Jan 25th. You get a massive flow of people home then, and in the first week of Feb a massive flow of people coming back.

    Again, point is that when you have 40,000 people entering the country post-ban, and you're doing zero screening, it's not particularly effective.
     
  6. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    re: the economy

    fk it, man. it’s just money.
     
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  7. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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    It'll be suicide to some, a permanently lowered standard for others, along with a host of associated problems - including inability to afford property medical care - that will cause more deaths than the virus
     
  8. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
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    United States
    This seems like such an oversimplification. Its not just a question of counting up deaths. The reality of not having social distancing is that the health care system is crushed. Kids getting appendicitis die because there is no room in the hospitals for them (or do you propose we just refuse hospital admission for covid-19 patients?). Because we can’t provide health care to the surge of patients then the mortality rate increases greatly. Finally — all of those known established facts crater the economy anyway because folks watch their friends and family get incredibly ill and don’t want to go through it.

    The reality of the public policy you prefer is horrific. Well beyond just counting deaths.
     
  9. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    United States
    right now the hospitals are not slammed and they are deferring all sorts of procedures and have scared everyone from going to the hospital, including some who need it. Wait until we hear the stories in a few weeks of the people who died waiting for cancer surgery. The panic cost is just as valid.

    not to mention many hospitals and medical practices are going under due to everything being reserved for Covid 19 patients - both space and supplies.



    some of these models are downright absurd compared to what is happening, especially the UT ones. They are invalid as soon as they are published - actually let me rephrase, they were never valid!!
     
  10. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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    United States
    based on the Walker Facebook video session, looks like they will keep the money and the sponsorship money and maybe “credit” next year’s season tickets for the games not played in 2020. He mentioned something about not knowing how many games might be missed - if any - and how he thought MLS would have some sort of league-wide policy.

    Translation: we need the cash and we aren’t giving it back or letting you slide on payments until we absolutely have to
     
  11. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I bought XFL season tickets for the Roughnecks this year. Within a week of them cancelling the season they offered us either a refund or a credit for next year.

    I'm wondering if the Dynamo are eligible for the small business loan for payroll and related expenses seeing as how it is free money that is converted to a grant.

    About that FB session, one of the questions that wasn't actually presented to him was whether he had watched Sunderland Til I Die. I dared Zach to ask him, but the session ended early :)
     
  12. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    blah! no different than what the dwindling working class/middle class has been dealing with the past 25 years. all those people need to stop being pusses.
     
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  13. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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    Athletic wrote an article - RSL was ineligible for the PPP SBA loan/grant apparently.

    The Dynamo have no comment in the article.

     
  14. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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  15. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    damn, i don't know what world you live in but through my church's outreach programs we've seen how there's a whole swath of lower-middle and middle-middle that were already food insecure way before this.

    i know you think they have to look like a homeless person or a minority, but you'll be surprise at the # of WORKING poor that were already there...emphasis on the WORKING. they may just have not gone to the extreme of going to the foodbank, but they were already 1 lost meal away.
     
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  16. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    Very true, there are a lot of working poor in our community. I was raised by one of them. Though nowadays I am doing fairly well, I remember my childhood. It is not just food insecure, it is A/C going out, truck won't start, roof is leaking things that these people could barely afford before. Now, it will be next to impossible and while there will be food relief, there will be no funds set aside to fix someone's car.

    We need to get back to work but we also have to get a handle on this virus, I don't know the correct timetable for this. However, I do think this is a before and after moment. The world will change.
     
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  17. DynamoManiac

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    Jan 27, 2014
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    You guys are trying to explain this stuff to Breitbart Junior. It's a pointless exercise.
     
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  18. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

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    #2193 Westside Cosmo, Apr 9, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 9, 2020
    Real easy to say when you have the Bellaire police to protect your home, as racist as you say they are. Then again, another month of this and the Gulfton area may start to go “shopping” in nicer areas.

    People have no idea what will happen as defaults cascade thru the system if things aren’t opening up in May. All of this to theoretically save lives - even as they liberally count anyone who dies as suspected of having the virus.

    and ManiacLoser just won’t acknowledge that the initial scare projections are way off and the models so poor that much of this was completely unnecessary. Even now, we probably end up with 50k deaths which is about a typical flu season.
     
  19. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update

    Just got an email from XFL. Rather than credit they are going to refund.

    Not sure what this means for the next season. They say they're doing it because they realize people need the money, but I wonder if this virus has killed XFL
     
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  20. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
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    Houston Dynamo
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    it may. Too bad it was decent fun football. Spring football may just be cursed.

    one thing to consider going forward, the number of companies who are heavy advertisers on sports who are getting crushed now is many. TV revenues aren’t going to be as big going forward for any league or network (XFL got no rights fees but got a cut of advertising)
     
  21. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
    I truly hope not. I admire what Vince was trying to do. And damn, we had the best team in the league.
     
  22. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
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    Just shut down operations and laid of all employees, so possibly.
     
  23. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Sounds like it is done for good - not explicitly saying so - but implied. The virus shutdown certainly hurt it badly in 2020, but I wonder if this is more an acknowledgment that for 2021 Vince thinks that the advertising and sports revenue environment will be terrible. Set aside the irrational panic over crowds that may still be present in 2021, are ESPN and Fox gonna want to cover production costs when their advertisers are pulling back and they are taking hits in 2020? And cord cutting will accelerate.
     
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  24. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dynamo posted the 2007 2nd leg vs. Dallas game on their online rewind page. Best game in Dynamo history. Worth a watch. They did a nice job of putting modern graphics up with current Dynamo advertisers on it. Smart move

    https://www.houstondynamo.com/rewind
     
  25. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just saw something from Grant Wahl about being let go today without notice. But it seems there's a back story and that SI asked him and others to take a pay cut to reduce costs, he declined so they eliminated his position and will use his salary to increase severance pay and health benefits for the folks that got laid off.

    I wonder if those Dynamo bloggers realized you can make $350k a year writing about sports (or could).
     

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