I do but, I don't. I never liked the mocking of his accent or how players and staff seemed to openly disrespect him. That was uncalled for. However tactically and as a football manager he is very subpar. Why we thought he was an upgrade over Wenger is beyond crazy.
I hear you, but Arsenal is big time. If a manager can't handle that kind of mockery, he shouldn't be managing Arsenal. Though more importantly, perhaps, a coach getting this kind of disrespect from his players shouldn't be managing, whether it's a professional team or a bunch of second graders.
On this day in 2012... The boss doing the business! https://www.facebook.com/20669912712/posts/10157882582402713/
And against his future employer no less! PS thanks for turning this thread back to Arteta positivity.
This is fascinating, and a broadside at Arteta being used to negotiate the player pay cuts (you can listen free on spotify) Mesut Ozil's agent Erkut Sogut was talking about negotiating wage cuts/deferrals today on the @TheAthleticUK Steilcast pod. Not specifically about Arsenal/Ozil but it sheds A LOT of light on the subject. Listen (for free) here: https://t.co/tfUKffiIEy— Raphael Honigstein💙 (@honigstein) April 20, 2020 tldr Clubs really need to be transparent about all financial info. So why should Ozil take a paycut just to help out Kroenke - which is ultimately what we are talking about The club needs to present detailed financial info based on scenarios - rather just get Arteta to lean on players
Agree. People are obsessed with football players imo it’s classist and in some cases, racist a la heem
TLDR for me also, but wouldn't the smart thing to do PR-wise be to say something like "I agree in principal to the pay cut, pending certain assurances about how the money will be used and by whom"? Rather than what seems to be leaking out as rumor, which is "I'm one of the 2-3 players who voted against the pay cut"
What, why? People, it's very simple--don't agree to pay cuts, end of story. ESPECIALLY if your boss is a fcuking billionaire heir to the Walmart fortune. Him being a capitalist means he's agreeing to take on the risk of economic downturns--so let him be responsible for managing that risk, instead of having the players (the workers) bail him out and do that job for him too. This is what Kroenke signed up to when he took ownership of Arsenal. Why the fcuk are the players now being held responsible for Arsenal's finances?
Do you know what TLDR means? Because it's a podcast. ALso be aware, which it doesn't seem like you are, that Ozil didn't publicly say he wasn't taking a pay cut. The club leaked it. You need to pay more attention to this story if you are going to comment. Lastly, the PFA recommended players ask for what they are giving a pay cut too.
It's a bad long term move for Arteta. Want to be known as the kind of manager who'll look after his players.
Why do you think Ozil's agent is suddenly doing a podcast with Honigstein in english Of course due to confidentiality he was unable to discuss the specifics of the negotiation and only give "general comments" The whole point is that Sogut agrees there will have to be paycuts but why is the club pressuring players in a 12 month paycut when no one knows what is happening? He contrasts with the bundesliga where the whole league agreed to 90 days deferment so we can get better information
Yes - this is what Sogut complained about. He actually agrees there needs to be paycuts but each clubs situation is different. Some clubs with cashflow issues no doubt need paycuts immediately. He spoke quite a bit about the Bundesliga approach as better. Take deferments - check how the losses look in summer then divide it amongst everyone. BTL I think he feels Arsenals owner is trying to socialise the losses on everyone else by not sharing the actual arsenal finances
Its not fair on players who need the managers patronage. Completely unequal bargaining position whereas the players have no true ability to collectively bargain. So Ozil and Auba can tell the club to shove it whereas a young player can't do that
honest question in light of the chaotic finances...has there been any discussion about impact and enforcement of UEFA FFP? My guess it's that it's too early to tell, especially since nobody knows how the TV contract terms will be settled. Specifically, if players take a pay cut to "balance the books" - does that help with FFP?
I'll take your word for it since I haven't heard the interview (yet). But it sounds like you're saying Sogut was trying to move away from the simplistic leak/rumor that Ozil was one of the 2-3 dissenters. And move more towards a statement of willingness/acceptence of a pay cut. While offering a possibly better approach of 3-month deferment rather than 12-month cut. If I've summarized you (and him) correctly, then it seems to support my original post about how the way it was coming out was not good PR for Ozil. Which Sogut was trying to correct?
I vaguely remember that when @Super Llama made this thread, thinking to myself "he used the wrong job title in the subject". But now after almost 9 months, it turns out that it was only a Freudian Slip: Arteta was promoted last week from Head Coach to Manager. Just codifying what we had seen in practice over recent months. Kudos to Arteta for having more cajones than Troy Deeney in getting what he presumably wanted all along. But it kind of lays bare the concept that Arsenal had finally and truly gotten in sync with the separation of powers in modern football management. And I'm not too bothered by it all. If Mikel wants to wield more power and we continue to perform better because of it, I'm good.
Speaking of cajones/cojones, when I was confused about the spelling of that, I found this and did a double-take on the citation!