Scandinavian/Nordic non-football thread

Discussion in 'Scandinavia' started by Ceres, Apr 2, 2011.

  1. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Huge respect to your father in law!

    Ofcoarse you may disagree on matters. Youve had a balanced approach as I wrote! I agree on immigration and corona. For me personally Im not either fond of the high tax burden put on the avarage swede. I like taxes but just ease of a little lmao. I also may think some swedes have bit of too much faith in government and polititians at times trusting them blindly. This is a mentality thats been build up thru ages unfortunately due to not least a long reign of social democratic power. Thats where I dig the danes where they have a totally different approach with more of an individualistic one lol.
    Im a little interested in the danes constant negativism regarding us in other perspectives and subjects than the ones Ive just mentioned. Ive never heard him say anything remotely positive regarding us. Our culture, history or society generally. Ofcoarse I respect he has his own opinion but still lmao!
     
  2. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    The state has a price tag in a life in Norway . In 2012 it was about 30 million NOK. (think it is 37-43 million today ?)
     
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  3. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Trough Norwegian eyes , I would say the danes dares ! The dare to take the unpopular and hard decisions . I think Norwgains like to identify more with the Danes then the Swedes because they seem to dare to pick a side . As Swedes seem to be scared to speak their mind when it burns. (ww1 - neutral /ww2 - neutral / imigration- no problem/ corona - no problem)(political majority)
    Remember , Norway was under Denmark for 500 yeas before 1814 . And Norway was under Denmark (supporting France ) in the the war against England and Sweden .Then in 1905 Norway was independent from the Swedes . So It `s a long history;) Celebrated greatly the day today

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  4. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Sweden is the big brother lol. Maybe thats the reason? Even the finns have a tendency to get irritated at us. Hmmm I see the theme now...;)
     
  5. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg

    I love 17:e maj! What beautiful celebrations you have to your beautiful nation and people!
     
  6. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I never said anything about Swedes being awful, and also just wrote that Sweden is among the top-10 happiest countries in the world, but I consistently attack the Swedish authorities and media, that most often work hand in hand to deliberately cover up the real facts, and oppress and mislead the Swedish population.

    We could make a list of virtues and values, but to most Danes free speech, an open honest debate culture and being straight to the point, is right at the very top of the list, which is also why I'm happy that it was Denmark that got struck by the Muhammed cartoon debate and crisis back in 2006, and not somewhere else in Europe, where they most likely would have carved in and issued an apology for having free speech.
     
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  7. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Fair enough. I have to say tho Ive seldom seen you mention anything positive regarding sweden generally. Mostly mentioning how everythings so perfect and rosy in denmark. I love Denmark dont get me wrong and Ive mentioned above several things I dislike about our societal climate at times. But I just find it hilarious what a contrasting effect it gives. Sweden the hell hole of the world and Denmark Seventh heaven.
     
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  8. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Yes toward Norway I would absolutely say you are. Towards the Danes I'm not so sure. Not really certain if they care :D
     
  9. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway

    Very true about the Muhammed cartoons. The Norwegian Government supported the printing of the cartoons to some degree back 2006 . This as a part of freedom of speech and press freedom. Still many papers didn't print it in fear of reactions. And I'm not sure if Norway would stand in the fight ,had it not been for the Danish way of handling these kind of issues .
     
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  10. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    #510 IFKgötet1, Apr 4, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2020
    Dont think swedes do either. Just thought it was hilarious how your danish buddy always talks positive about his own nation and negative things about above all sweden. The effect it gives. Its hilarious :). I ask myself is everything perfectvin Denmark? Are the danes perfect at all times? Give a more balanced outlook pls is my thought lol. I guess its just the way he is?! Overly proud about denmark. Thats good for most part but it gets tiresome reading in the long run. Anyway have a good day m8.
     
  11. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    With that it was nice meeting you. Im sure Ill survive this aweful Gulag called Sweden. Dont worry ;)
     
  12. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #512 Ceres, Apr 4, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2020
    Well, besides soccer, TV and movies, where I do not remember writing anything negative about Sweden, except when it comes to Swedish news media, I usually debate or write about political correctness and free speech issues, and in that respect Denmark is vastly different and in total contrast, especially but not only to Sweden, but all of the rest of Europe.

    If you are a Dane, there is no chance that you will get arrested and get your art confiscated like a Dan Parks :
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/s...football-thread.1699620/page-10#post-35242663

    ... or get arrested and totally deplatformed, so that you can not be found on any of the social media platforms like a Tommy Robinson, who is not even being allowed to sell his merchandise on Amazon :
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...es-to-end-sales-of-tommy-robinson-merchandise

    Tommy Robinson recently was awarded the Sappho Free Speech Award by The Free Press Society in Denmark, presented to him in the Danish Parliament:


    Which you apparently could not read about in any regular foreign media :


    but can still be watched on youtube, because they obviously would not be able to ban the Danish Free Press Society and get away with it. DR Deadline also had the best of their journalist doing an interview with facebook about their treatment of Tommy and free speech in general :


    So in other words, the reason why even a right-wing politician and Quran tossing Rasmus Paludan is not arrested but get police protection and is not kicked off youtube, unlike a less controversial Tommy Robinson, is because no Danish government, left or right, would ever think of trying to have his free speech removed, to get rid of him. because it's not really about agreeing or not agreeing with him, but about defending his right to his opinions, so long as it do not incite violent actions of any kind against other people.

    So while Robinson is getting framed and arrested in the UK for just speaking his mind, the Danish police only clamp down on people who try to physically harm and attack other people, or create violent riots in an attempt to oppress opinions they do not like, as we can see right here, with Paludan tossing the Quran a few times in a ghetto in Copenhagen at a legally declared demonstration and Quran throwing event last year, that then sparked 3 days of violent riots in the ghettos all over Denmark, which also was hardly reported (if at all) by the media anywhere outside Denmark :



    ... or when Paludan was physically attacked outside the mosque and Islamic society building while, as a journalist, reporting if people in the ghettos do or do not follow the official government guidelines about how many people are allowed to gather during this Coronavirus crisis.



    A former Danish police officer speak his mind about the media coverage and the incident (in Danish only) :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2kFRgdqYZw

    It's not about Sweden or the UK or elsewhere being a "hell hole" and Denmark a free speech "Seventh heaven", but just a fact that the contrast above do exist, as hilarious or sad as it may seem, depending on how you look at it.
     
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  13. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Ok so everythings perfect in Denmark? Have you ever mentioned anything in danish society youre not happy regarding. Gods chosen place? Nothing negative to remark on?

    I actually agree regarding our immigration policies or our state being propagandists etc. Im also anti extreme high taxes. I earn well and shitloads go to taxes. I can be self critical about my society. Can you? Maybe you can but you just cant find anything negative regarding your perfect nation Denmark?

    Its just that you come across as boasting how everythings perfect in denmark and everything about us is total shite. That was all I wanted to stress. Not any hate bro just a little thought I had.
     
  14. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    That was not what I wrote, just that the "free speech" contrast above do exist, as hilarious or sad as it may seem, depending on how you look at it. I mean Denmark has been receiving lots of flak the past many years from Sweden and other countries for the Muhammed cartoons, stand on immigration and lack of political correctness, and we are still a bit on our own here, though I do see some changes abroad, but it was the cartoon riots back in 2006, that was the major eye opener and game changer for Denmark and not least the Danish Social Democrats, not that it makes it perfect or not, just a much different approach build on the 2006 experience.
     
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  15. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Im sure Danes as Swedes and Norwegians whine about things in their community as everyone else. Personally i rarely post negative post about my own country . But the part Ceres posted about seems to be a very serious problem in Sweden . If Freedom of speech ,press freedom or information isn't available to the people , how will they people then know what is true ?
    And when Sweden choses their own ways to handle several things (feks immigration, crime statistics and Corona ) They are doomed to hear it from their neighbours ;)

    To be fair I'm starting to doubt our strategy on the Corona Virus . If over 50% of the people infected with the virus does not get any symptoms . How will we get control ? I register that there is an big development in the amount of cars to and from work the last week.
    And this was Oslo today . Its clear people are not as afraid anymore.
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    But to post a few negative things about Norway then .
    Hight taxes (still I love free healthcare , free eduction and the social safenett like parental leave and sick money )
    Road tolls Norway has extremely high taxes on their highways. If I where to drive from Oslo to Trondheim , I would pay 170 NOK each way.
    Alcohol prices. Alcohol is very expensive in Norway . A beer out in Oslo is about 100 NOK.
     
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  16. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
  17. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Some Coronavirus Death Toll key-facts so far, from Denmark :

    0-19 year old's, 0 dead
    20-39 year old's, 0 dead
    40-59 year old's, 0 dead

    60-69-yo's, 17 dead (3% of the known infected), of which 12 are associated with underlying disease (71%)

    70-79 yo's, 52 dead (11% of the known infected), of which 46 are associated with underlying disease (88%)

    80-89 yo's, 60 dead (18% of the known infected), of which 52 are associated with underlying disease (87%)

    90+ yo's, 28 dead (35% of the known infected), of which 25 are associated with underlying disease (89%)

    Other known facts :
    There are more than 1,000 ventilators available, and the responsible doctors in charge are now saying that usually you would need 2-3 days in a ventilator on average capacity of the ventilator, but in the case of the Coronavirus it has so far been around 14 days in a ventilator on average, and at the maximum capacity of the ventilator, some even going up to 3 weeks.

    At it's highest, 138 Coronavirus infected have been in need of ventilators, but this number has now dropped to 112 during the past 3 days. And as the figures above also show, then we can conclude, that of the 0-59 year old's (associated with underlying disease or not) who have been in need of a ventilator, non a single one has died so far.
     
  18. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
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  19. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Gonna be hell to pay if true..an election year after all.
     
  20. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    The Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven and state "health-guru" (State epidemiologists) in charge, Anders Tegnell, are now trying their best, "paddling" out of trouble, Löfven by more or less saying that they expect that 1,000's are going to die, based on how it has developed abroad in other countries, while Tegnell is pretty much saying that we did not know any better, but have been doing the right thing .... Quote :

    "- perhaps we could have started communicating and discussing what to do even earlier,"

    ... but :

    "- It was probably many of us who first looked at China and thought, 'It might not be so much more than that',"

    https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/stefan-lofven-vi-regner-med-tusinder-af-corona-doedsfald

    https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/sv...have-gjort-mere-mod-corona-i-den-tidlige-fase
     
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  21. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Wow you guys seem very triggered by this . I guess more folks die of regular influenza every year lmao. Yes Tegnell and Löfven are morons but calm down ffs lmao. Netherlands and belgium not doing well either. Population density yes but mostly its Stockholm bringing up the numbers.

    Sweden is a better place to live in than you make it sound. Id rather live in this spacious beautiful area than Denmark anyway tbh lol.
     
  22. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #522 Ceres, Apr 5, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2020
    New research :

    Researchers at the Aarhus University Hospital (AHU) in Denmark have now, as of yesterday, and as the first in the world, started a clinical trial of a drug named 'camostat mesylate' to fight the Coronavirus. The drug itself is well known and already licensed in Japan and South Korea, in use for treating pancreatitis. Which also has made it easy to get permission from the Danish authorities to do these trials..

    In short, 'camostat mesylate' do not kill virus as such, but in a recent lab test study it has shown to prevent the novel Coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, from entering and infecting human lung cells, by inhibiting a particular enzyme in the respiratory system, Read more here :

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/these-drugs-don-t-target-coronavirus-they-target-us#

    Info:
    Aarhus University Hospital (AUH), now also known as The New University Hospital (DNU) since 2020, is now the biggest and most modern single hospital in Denmark.
     
  23. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
  24. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark


    Yes, we are not arguing against this, and here is some more nice Swedish culture, we are still able to watch on TV :



    ... but unfortunately the Swedish government and authorities like this much better :

     
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  25. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg

    I agree with you Ceres. Both Tegnell and Löfven are morons. I agree many swedes are a tad too gullible regarding government and authorities. I agree regarding poor immigration policies. I hope my fellow swedes will rise to the occasion and throw these horrendous idiots the hell out of political power the coming election. I agree regarding the most likely poor corona tactics used also btw.

    Swedes need to get their act together. And yes save our culture. Köttbullar and Midsommar.
     

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