Coronavirus COVID19 - Megathread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Eddie, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, in terms of deaths per capita, Belgium and Netherlands are in the bottom 5 in the world (i.e. among the worst 5). You don't hear about those countries though. People are so fixated on absolute volumes.
     
  2. Whiteboard

    Whiteboard Member

    Dec 3, 2015
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Not just about population.
    Both have a high population density for their size.
    Both also have high life expectance so they have a lot of older people which are the most likely to die of this virus.
     
  3. MiamiNative0722

    MiamiNative0722 Member+

    May 25, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  4. Zidane05

    Zidane05 Moderator
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    Jul 18, 2005
    Toronto
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  5. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    I find news like this kind of problematic because while this is being tested in a lab, a test on a human and a potential medicine being approved are a longer process. False hope for the moment but I agree that the short term solution is rigorous and aggressive testing along with a medicine that works in symptom treatment.
     
  6. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is less problematic than some of the insane projections we’ve seen plastered all over the media. It’s less problematic than 90% of the shit trending on twitter which is nothing but blue check mark dbags turning this whole thing into political attacks.

    I’d rather focus on something positive.
     
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  7. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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  8. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Agreed. Every Dutch person talks shit about how bad it is in the United States, but the per capita stats show that it is way (almost 5x) worse in the Netherlands. This is what I have been telling people all along but they all feed into the media reports which are more than happy to paint other countries as worse than their own. The US is still going to get a lot worse and with its massive population will have significant deaths but I doubt it'll get worse per capita than in the Netherlands which has way higher population density.
     
  9. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    It's problematic because it gives people the impression that a solution is near while people in pharma have been banging on and on about how long it takes to get a drug validated. Let's remain realistic here.

    Also I feel that publicising certain medical specifics gives idiots the impression that all drugs are the same. We've seen that happen with the chloroquine hype, another drug that proved solid in lab tests and people ran out of their house to stock up on random pills containing it before governments put a stop to it.

    I don't care about politics. I care about selling false hope and this arms race between countries on who will have the quickest solution with plenty of those "quick tests" labs came up with now silently proving unreliable.
     
  10. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #1435 hala_madrid722, Apr 3, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    Some people being complete f*cking idiots isn’t enough of a reason, for me, to not highlight potential positivity & focus only on doom and gloom.

    If someone hears something on the news and decides to drink pool or fish tank cleaner because they think it has that drug in it well that person is a f*ckin moron & need to be responsible for their own actions. I’m sorry but placating to the absolute lowest common denominator isn’t the right thing to do.
     
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  11. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    In short, we get it 4x4s. We are ********ed. You are such a ray of sunshine in this dark times.
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    It's more realistic to expect this to peak in a few months and slowly wear off than to wake up everyday and hope the miracle cure appears.

    Numerous links have been posted here over the past few weeks about treatments, medicines, and Hopp even saying he'll have a vaccine ready by the end of the year (which would be a miracle).
     
  13. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    I mean, have you even read the article? What exactly gives you impression of false hope in that article?
     
  14. RMSocrates

    RMSocrates Member+

    Apr 5, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    So I decided to install CM 01-02 on my Mac... had to get Parrelles desktop to get windows running so I could install it but I’ll be set reliving this for the next 14 days until the trial runs out lol.

    So many hours I spent on this game back in the day.
     
  15. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Even if a substance performs well in a lab test, it takes months if not a year or two to get it past regulations, approved, and available as treatment to the consumer.

    Even then, there are differences between countries as France has for example sanctioned the use of chloroquine in treatment of the virus but Germany doesn't. So at the end of the day if the use of a drug proves to bring good results in a small study in Australia or California, seeing it used in Hospitals or sold over the counter would take at the very least months until all approvals and measures are fulfilled.

    Publishing successful results in small lab tests creates the impression that treatment is right around the corner.
     
  16. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Dude we need hope right now and positive treatment methods. No one is expecting a vaccine so soon.
     
  17. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    I'm not talking about a vaccine. I don't really need to read results of small studies to generate hope. I think humanity has survived worse without ignoring the severity of this.
     
  18. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    The NBA has suggested that players take a paycut of 50% starting April 15th. Players association counters with an offer of a 25% paycut starting in mid May.
     
  19. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    There is literally nothing in that article that suggest vaccine is around the corner. It even specifies directly:

    “In times when we’re having a global pandemic and there isn’t an approved treatment, if we had a compound that was already available around the world then that might help people sooner,” Dr Wagstaff said.

    “Realistically it’s going to be a while before a vaccine is broadly available.”

    Besides, drug in question is already FDA approved anti-parasitic drug.
     
  20. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    We got furloughed

    Gonna be a while before i go back to work
     
  21. pramod

    pramod Member

    Realmadrid
    Sep 4, 2006
    Hyderabad @ India
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/03/ema-recommends-remdesivir-for-treatment-of-covid-1.aspx

    Remdesivir may be light at end of tunnel.
     
  22. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    I heard those who get furloughed can double dip (receive unemployment) and keep their jobs (protection for being fired till I think September).
     
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  23. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Apparently the small studies published showing the effective use of hydroxychloroquine were all in patients with mild cases . Another study just published from France has shown it to not work or have inconclusive results.
     
  24. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yea

    I got furlough for 90 days so i will apply for unemployment tomorrow.
     
  25. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    German health officials said hydroxychloroquine has severe enough side effects that you might end up treating the person for something that you might have caused by using it to treat something else. Which is why it isn't validated in treatment of patients.
     

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