News: 2020 Season and Virus Talk

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  1. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    life and health "trump" economics. i thought y'all were the hobbes folk who were selfish to prepare for what the world could deal out, and that vein of caution and preparation existed until about the end of glass-stegall -- but it instead seems like y'all just like getting rich at any leverage or health risk.

    also, i was telling my friends a week before the markets crashed about an article where goldman anticipated something nasty. i then got the heck out of stocks. a bright conservative should be a prepared one. at every phase in this y'all underestimate the contingencies in furtherance of trying to prop up the markets. the markets do not believe you when you do this as shown by the past few weeks. the markets respond to when it sounds like you're taking charge and might ammeliorate the problem, or literally handing out money to somewhat patch the balance sheet holes. note: taxes will go up at some point to pay for that.

    you're spinning out scenarios and saying we can't tolerate them, even as doctors and epidemiologists say this might be a seasonal thing for a couple years. with months or years to plan businesses should be working on business models that can cope with recurring outbreaks, orders to stay home, etc. you sound like the snobby restaurants with french trained chefs who laid off everyone and wouldn't deign to lower themselves to curb service or other approaches. who would rather go bankrupt than change how they do their thing.

    at which point, yeah, animals that won't adapt get run over by evolution. you can't fix that by trying to force people to work when the risks rise they will get sick. who wants to die for their job? i know a week ago -- before harris county did anything -- i marched into the boss's office and said i was going to be working at home. i now owe him that work. but isn't part of your conservatism the common sense to have your "dukes" up in a fighting situation?? this dan patrick stuff sounds almost more like the free market version of red china, or the USSR government deputizing people to entomb chernobyl at risk of cancer and death. the state demands you work no matter the risk. how is that freedom?? traditionally the core of conservatism is survival instinct. now it seems to be freedom of contract and taking a lot of risk that doesn't handle downturns well. we don't just get recessions, we get depressions. what happened??
     
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  2. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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  3. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #2128 juvechelsea, Mar 30, 2020
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    in soccer terms, if you prematurely send them out there and one person tests sick or there is an outbreak, it will set things back further months. the shutters will come back down and maybe the season gets called. the best chance at anything happening and sticking is wait until everything cools down. and that's setting aside the human toll of your decision.

    i mean, let's be real, the trip wire on the seasons getting called was when individuals started testing positive. that means players have it. that means others not sick may be carrying and just not testing. you're risking your players and your reputation if you throw them out there sick.

    in symmetry, when public rates are down to low levels and there aren't positive staff/player tests, you may see closed door games. and then you'll see ticketed games when risk is negligible. i know the teams are probably scared for survival but you don't help that if you become the serie A or champions league "ground zero" games people hold up as disasters after the fact. you do that and the health department will shut you down no matter what MLS does.

    i don't think MLS can tolerate being closed too too long. but the game is also not false starting and blowing up this season for good, which will result in a too too long closure by definition. just like if trump had had his way and reopened for easter, you would get another massive spike of cases, everything re-closed, and it would take that much longer to dig out of this. it's like a hurricane. you have to wait until it's over to get back out with hammer and nails. you try to fix things middle of the storm and it's at increased risk and your patch maybe blows away anyway.

    fwiw i know i second guessed my decision to attend the first game live. i felt duty bound because a friend got me tickets. but afterwards i counted the days towards 14 worrying i'd been stupid for me and Mrs. JC. you will be fighting that reticence when you come back. you could open up sooner rather than later for claimed financial reasons but then you need people to be willing to pay and watch. i am not sure this is the financial salvation some think. this is not a grocery store, stock shelves best you can, open doors, count money, situation. this is you open the doors and see how many crazy people go. you see if people with existing ticket sales demand refunds or swaps due to disease risk. it's a luxury.
     
  4. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
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    One of the things that the "get back to work" crowd has cited is fi we get out there, people get sick and build up antibodies then that will help us get over this more quickly. Big flaw to that argument: South Korea is experiencing people getting sick a second time and it has been reported in Korea that 14% of cases in China were people who got sick a second time. So looking a lot like this is not chicken pox situation where you can only get it once.
     
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  5. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    You have zero concept of what is happening in corporate America and the trickle down effect of this. 90% of businesses will significantly affected to the point where entire industries may disappear for years. You can talk all you want about health first but the economy is not equipped to deal with this and unless bodies start piling up, people will start to riot as the economy stays closed if it goes beyond mid-May (Italy is getting there).

    And by “bodies piling up” I meant several hundred thousand dead
     
  6. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    i agree with what you're saying, but i disagree #1 that we can stop some of those industries from disappearing and #2 that this hasn't happened before in history.

    in fact, it has happened several times and humanity has always progressed forward. i'm sure the collapse of the Roman Empire was terrifying to its citizens. just ride the wave, man.
     
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  7. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    there has already been a permanent demand destruction from the shutdown that reopening won’t solve. Yeah, we will just keep cranking the printing press up on money but be forced to go to negative interest rates to get people to spend. Japan on steroids for a decade
     
  8. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    If a man or woman does a sound study of the most dominant book in human history, the Holy Bible, there is this tremendous mega theme that reappears often and that is God Almighty always sends a warning flare for lack of better words towards any culture he deals with. The warnings can be turn from your ways, prepare for coming famine/disaster or removal from current land and in two cases quite literally be ready to be set free from your current captivity.

    I say this in that considering how this virus has taken hold of our entire planet and global economy, it just might be a harbinger of a more powerful virus that arrives in the future and this is God's way of letting us learn from this and thus be better prepared for when the times truly get bad!
     
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  9. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
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    When the Roman Empire collapsed the barbarians took over and the dark ages began. None of us have enough time left to ride that wave.

    I figure that Netflix and Amazon Prime Movies will see us through all of this. Sunderland Til I DIe series 2 starts April 1 and Bosch is not far behind
     
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  10. *rey*

    *rey* Member+

    Feb 22, 2006
    Houston
    not going to debate this issue since this is sawker board, BUT that's historically incorrect. the barbarians did not directly cause the dark ages. in fact, in most places the barbarians followed the pattern the Roman Empire left behind. ignorance caused the dark ages not an absence of political control.

    secondly, re: :none of us have enough time. this is a perfect time to come to terms that you, me, all of us are an insignificant mammal on an insignificant planet in a vast solar system that's just a tiny spec of the cosmos. we ain't special. we never were.
     
  11. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    United States
    I think Juve disagrees with you about being special
     
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  12. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
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    United States
    Me too
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  13. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    Um amigo mio, outside of the fact that every man and woman has an individual soul that is unique to each and every human that has ever lived. With such individuals over thousands of years have invented the incredible ability to track the very cosmos you speak of in astronomy, us humans have collaborated to form all other branches of scientific study, certainly invented all forms of music, art and literature. Oh did I mention architecture? Did I as well mention flight and leaving our rock?!?
    And of course it was even the English that invented association football and rugby football which gave rise to what us soccer junkies and gridiron fans know and love to this very day.
     
  14. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
  15. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    Appears a local writer locked in on MLS Academy development, or the lack there of in our sports culture, and covered the bases that most of us are familiar with and have discussed. Still a decent read.
    https://houseofhouston.com/2020/03/31/houston-dynamo-franchise-transform-mls-american-soccer/

    In a nutshell
    One of the biggest barriers to talent discovery for soccer players in the United States has been the “pay to play” model which has taken hold under the United States Soccer Development Academy most notably. A player must navigate the cost-prohibitive USDA structure before having a chance to enjoy the modern benefits of an MLS academy.

    Under this kind of approach at the critical youth development ages, talent takes a back seat to the kids whose parents or guardians can sacrifice and spend the most to ensure their child continues to progress.

    Youth soccer is a multi-billion dollar a year business spanning multiple interests, and it’s this focus on competing interests and profit margin preventing American soccer from realizing its vast potential. The bottom of the pyramid is fractured by competing interests which should be uniting to enhance it.

    Next: Weighing the pros and cons of being a Houston Sports fan
    The MLS, spearheaded by its franchises like the Houston Dynamo, must be the driving force behind this country’s reform at the grassroots level in communities around the country so all talent with the motivation to succeed has a clear path to discovery and success.
     
  16. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    Figures this loser would be all about a lockdown - he’s a communist collecting retirement from TRS probably.

    ive noticed that most of the folks who want others to be locked down are either extremely wealthy or government workers. No private business employees or self employed folks.



    http://mobile.twitter.com/webtilton/status/1245006732029497346
     
  17. KluivertsBoots

    Jun 16, 2009
    Houston, TX
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    FC Barcelona
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    United States
    Thank you for finding and linking my article. I recently started contributing to House of Houston, and would like to increase coverage of our sport in my writing endeavors. This is a huge topic for those of us who have followed the progression of the sport in this country and the MLS as a league.
     
  18. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    I agree! As well as many of us on our boards who know how talented our Greater Houston Area is with youth players, both male and female I might add, and it has confused us all as to why our Front Office has not committed more scouts, coaches and funding towards cultivating our local products.
    In case you missed it a year or so ago, there was local west Houston prospect Cappis and former Dynamo on air broadcaster and local player from Mo. City turned MLS veteran Eric Quill who both found ways to migrate to our eternal rivals up in Southern Oklahoma as player and coach respectively..
    So not only is our club not doing enough, what talent is there for the selection is jumping ship and going over to the dark side. You want a tremendous topic to dig into and write about, this is it. "How to Lose Local Talent to Your Arch Rival" written and directed by Houston Dynamo FO
     
  19. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Jul 16, 2017
    The flip side that's never talked is about is that while Europe was in the Dark Ages, the Middle East and North Africa were experiencing a Renaissance that lasted centuries.

    As someone on the front lines of the crisis, listen to Samuel Jackson and stay the **** home. I dont need to hear about anymore fatalities thank you very much.
     
  20. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    If we all listen to Bill Gates and his Gates Foundation lackeys Fauci and Brix we will be shutdown until 2021 so don’t worry about it. Frauds
     
  21. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    I have respect for the Foundation but the only one from your list people should listen to is Fauci. Local health departments would be another good idea.
     
  22. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    yeah, listen to Fauci. #FauciFraud

     
  23. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
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    Can't see the post Kyle is responding to, but I can imagine what it says.

    Anyone who doubts the dangers of this need only look at what has happened at JP Morgan. Kept all their stock traders together. One got sick, now 20 of them are sick and 65 quarantined.

    Or the 70 UT-Austin that chartered a plane a few weeks ago to go to Mexico for Spring Break despite the warnings. Now 44 of them are positive COVID-19. One of them is a friend of my partner's daughter That person infected their entire family, so far the grandfather is dead.

    But it doesn't impact the healthy, people say. Well, the 30-year old otherwise healthy baseball coach that died this week 3 days after first symptoms appeared in New Jersey says that's not always the case (as do NYC stats so far where at least 5% of the dead have had no other underlying health issues and 16% of the hospitalized critical care patients are under age 44. https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/healthy-new-jersey-baseball-coach-dies-of-coronavirus/

    We went from 3 months to the first 100k confirmed cases (though that is bullshit as in Wuhan alone an estimated 46,000 died which would put Wuhan actual cases probably closer to 800,000), 12 days for the next 100k, 48 hours for the next 100k and has continued to accelerate. From 1.1 mil to 1.2 mil looks like it is going to come in at less than 24 hours. And that's with more than 25% of the global population under some form of lockdown. Of course reality is because testing has lagged, the actual numbers are likely much larger. Even with testing, our test in the US is not particularly reliable and the assumption now is that for every 3 people tested that are sick, only 2 tests come out positive, 1 comes out negative. So for starters, gross up the number of cases in the US by that amount.

    How anybody thinks that given all the available evidence, lifting constraints would be anything short of disastrous is mind boggling to me. Moreover, government lifting constraints isn't going to boost the economy much anyway given the significant number of people that would choose to self isolate and the number of companies that would continue to function based on what they observe rather than what the government says.
     
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  24. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States
    And like most left wingers, you cite a one-off guy in NJ and anecdotes as “evidence”. Did you look at this at all from NYC - 95% with underlying conditions

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    I hope you have a job in 6 months if we follow the Bill Gates lockdown model that his frauds are proposing
     
  25. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
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    Houston Dynamo
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    United States

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