USWNT sues USSF 2019 version

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    US Soccer pays the WNT contract players 100K a year for their service on the team and then also pays another 74K a year to supplement them for their NWSL salaries. This money is guaranteed pay (not sure about the NWSL part if the NWSL isn't playing). They are also given benefits.

    The MNT is paid only when they attend camps and play matches. The men have a much higher bonus structure, however.
     
  2. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    US soccer has completely and formally dropped the inferior strength, speed, and responsibility argument

     
  3. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    Hey, this is great. U.S. Soccer is moving from the 18th to the 19th century. :)
     
  4. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    Back on tour !!!
    #629 zdravstvuyte, Apr 2, 2020
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    Here’s the ‘fine upstanding gentleman’ who’s going to lead the USSF against the USWNT

    russell.sauer he works for @lw.com
     
  5. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member+

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It's only fair. Team quality is cyclical. There is every reason for the entire program to benefit from one half's success. When the two halves of USSF are run equally, sharing should not be a problem.
     
  6. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As expected, Trial delayed until June 16, 2020.
    court.jpg
     
  7. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    In my best Yule Brenner voice (Complete with bald head): "Let it be written. Let it be done."
     
  8. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018
    I was concerned in another post that the USWNT may get paid but it will come on the backs of Youth Soccer. that appears to be what is happening according to soccer wire. It looks like they will close shop for all DA programs for girls and boys in order to pay the USWNT a potential settlement of this lawsuit.

    Wonder if the USWNT will be happy knowing the money they collect from US Soccer will be money that could have given young girls a chance to fulfill their dreams but now they won't have that money.
     
  9. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    That seems to me a rather tortured way to see it...
     
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  10. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Runhard, that is quite an assumption you made, based on no factual data.

    The Girls DA never truly took off, and clubs were defecting to ECNL. It was only a matter of time for the DA to implode. The uncertainty of the virus allows US Soccer to save face, while dropping the DA. I cannot speak for the boys DA as I am not involved in the boys game. But, ECNL boys now exists, so US Soccer no longer has a real need to be involved.
     
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  11. Runhard

    Runhard Member+

    Barcelona
    United States
    Jul 5, 2018

    Shutting down a girls youth soccer program to fund a payment for the USWNT, many who already make several hundred thousand a year, is a terrible thing to do.
     
  12. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Runhard, you are assuming these are related. No one has said they are. The girls DA was struggling. There were rumblings over the past year that its future may be bleak. Clubs were leaving every season to go to ECNL.

    Don't blame the women's national team. First, they have every right to fight for equal rights. Just shame on you for denying them that. Second, you are choosing your own narrative as to why the DA is being shut down. There is new leadership at US Soccer. Maybe they just don't want it anymore since it was struggling.
     
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  13. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    I hadn't come to this board recently. Now I've seen posts #633-637. I fully support what taosjohn and ytrs have written. taosjohn rightly called Runhard's view "tortured." I'd call it downright ugly.
     
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  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The non-pro academy teams in the boys DA have been wanting the pro academy teams to make their own league for years now. For the most part, they simply didn’t have the resources to compete with them. I would not assume that the DA going away is anything other than the pro academies being split off into their own system from the non-pro academy teams.
     
  15. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
  16. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well if the Men aren't going to bring the money in somebody is going to have to pay for it.
     
  17. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Buy one holiday, get one free?

    The surname is "Brynner", too, btw...
     
  18. Germans4Allies4

    Jan 9, 2010
    Does anyone truly believe the WNT cares about the development of youth and the future compared to their own financial wealth and well being?
     
  19. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    Why are they related? The DA has not proven to bring any results. Girls soccer was just fine with ECNL, before the DA came in and watered down both leagues. The women were usually the best in the World. Boys DA only led to a missed qualifying for the World Cup.
     
  20. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Yes.
     
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  21. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    That's some hasty attribution.
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The girls DA is only a few years old, so it never had the opportunity to do pretty much anything.

    The problems that led to the US failing to qualify for the World Cup (and missing out on the last few cycles of the Olympics) predate the creation of the boys DA.
     
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  23. ytrs

    ytrs Member+

    Jan 24, 2018
    And girls teams were defecting from DA every few months so obviously it was not successful. Boys DA has been around for years. The boys DA formed in 2007, yet you think it had no affect on the current state of the men's team? That was 13 years ago. The men's team took a giant step backward by not qualifying for the 2017 world cup, which was the first time since 1986.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    No one has said that, least of all Yoshou. You, on the other hand, made a firm attribution with no further evidence.

    2018

    And need I repeat that, as easy as CONCACAF has made things, Mexico was almost in an IDENTICAL position 4 years before that. The ONLY difference (besides a phantom goal in Panama on the final matchday that helped drive the final nail) is that the USMNT scored two stoppage time goals after they had already sewn up first place in 2014, thereby 100% rescuing Mexico from the same fate.
     
  25. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And even pre-Girls DA in the ECNL era we were struggling at the U-17 and U-20 level

    In the last decade the results for the U-17s has been particularly dire.

    In fact, in the 10 tournaments listed below, The U.S. won a grand total of four knockout round games. Three in the run to the 2012 U-20 Championship (with a really nice roster), and one (on a stoppage time goal over Mexico) four years later which was immediately followed up by two losses. I just went back to look, and the last U-17 knockout game (and wins) was the runners-up performance in 2008.

    2018
    U-20s - Failed at Group Stage (behind ESP/JPN)
    U-17s - Last in Group Stage (behind GER/PRK/CMR)

    2016
    U-20s - Fourth Place
    U-17s - Failed at Group Stage (behind JPN/GHA)

    2014
    U-20s - 2nd in Group, Lost in Qtrs to PRK on PKs
    U-17s - Failed to Qualify, 3rd in CONCACAF (behind MEX/CAN)

    2012
    U-20s - Champions
    U-17s - Failed at Group Stage (behind PRK/FRA)

    2010
    U-20s - Won Group, Lost in Qtrs ot NGR on PKs
    U-17s - Failed to Qualify, 3rd in CONCACAF (behind CAN/MEX)
     

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