Scandinavian/Nordic non-football thread

Discussion in 'Scandinavia' started by Ceres, Apr 2, 2011.

  1. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Healthcare personell in the north of Norway is worried .Norway has helped Sweden for many years with emergency medical assistance in the north. This is due to the NORDRED agreement between the five nordic countries . But now Sweden isn't following the same guidelines as Norway , and the rest of Scandinavia . This makes the healtcare personell worried for contamination in Sweden

    https://www.nrk.no/nordland/skjer-d...hakon-og-kollegene-som-ma-rykke-ut-1.14964630


    Norway has implemented a five people restriction . And in some municipalities there are local quarantine rules. For-example some of the municipalities in the the north has a "south people" quarantine . Meaning if a person from the south of Norway goes to the north, he/she has to sit in quarantine for 14 days before being allowed to walk out in the streets.

    Every person feeling sick in any way is quarantined for 14 days. Children is only allowed to play in group of up to five children. And only the same kinds until this has calmed down.
    All the stores has put up a glass window between the customers and the cashier.
    Before this crisis , Norway had about 68 000 people applying for day money. Over the last two weeks 300 000 people has applied .
     
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  2. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Whats up with that ? ... it's not like Norway is in any kind of financial problems, unlike Sweden, still Swedish crowns are still keeping their value at 100 Swedish for around 68 Danish Crowns, but Norwegian crowns have dropped below the Swedish crowns, so you now get 100 Norwegian crowns for 64 Danish crowns.
     
  3. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Much connected with the Oil war combined with the epidemic. This has resulted in foreign investors selling the NOK. This combination had resulted in at historic week Norwegian crown.

    For the first time in maybe 40 years or more , shopping in Sweden does not pay off.

    1 Dollar - 10,54 NOK
    1 Euro - 11,65 NOK

    At least it doesn`t seem like we will be spending any money abroad this summer. Hard pressure from the people, politicians and economists has forced the banks to lower the interest already from the beginning of march for their customers . This will hopefully help companies and people to cope with the economic crisis that is upon many people now.

    The owner of nordic Choice and Ving (Petter Stordalen) losses 250 million. NOK pr month after most hotels and vacation bookings has been cancelled .

    Luckely Norway has as you say now economic crisis due to a good financial backbone . But I find our vulnerability to become visible when the shit hits the fan. We have been very comfortable and dependent of the welfare fond .
     
  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    it's confusing sweden's stance considering how denmark and norway have responded
     
  5. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #480 Ceres, Mar 31, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2020
    Sweden is around 10 times the size of Denmark while the population of Sweden is less than twice as large, so it do make some kind of sense that people who live outside the big cities in Sweden are far from as much in danger of being infected,so in that respect Denmark was in need to take a quicker and more strict approach in comparison. The main problem in Sweden is that it's only in the past few days they have changed their strategy in Stockholm, where the virus now is running rampant.

    Another issue is the financial aspect. Sweden can not really afford to close down the country and spread out a government safety net that both will cover most of the wages of employees and also pay the rent to save a private business like Denmark is doing. In fact, Denmark is estimated to be able to afford a whole year of total coronavirus shutdown, if this was to be the case. Even a few month doing the same, would bring Sweden to it's knees financially. So it's not really an option.
     
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  6. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #481 Ceres, Mar 31, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2020
    I'll just add to the above, that Denmark has a huge beverage and food industry that now may not be able to export quite as much as usual but on the other hand are having a field day, with Danes buying much more than they usually would (besides toilet paper ;) ) ... Denmark also got an even larger pharmaceutical industry that won't be losing money but more likely are going to make a larger profit.

    In fact the top-5 exports of Denmark are Packaged Medicaments which is 3 times as large as Pig Meat in 2nd place (Denmark has less than 6 million people but 5,000 pig farms that produce around. 28 million pigs annually), Refined Petroleum, Electric Generating Sets (mainly windmills) and Cheese. and most of this is not going to be hurt all that much by a Coronavirus crisis. Just as people are not going to buy less LEGO bricks, now that they have stay at home doing little to nothing.

    The top-5 exports of Sweden are Cars, Refined Petroleum, Packaged Medicaments, Vehicle Parts and Delivery Trucks and this is for the most part the kind of industry that is going to suffer badly.

    The top-5 exports of Norway are Crude Petroleum, Petroleum Gas, Non-fillet Fresh Fish, Refined Petroleum and Raw Aluminium.
     
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  7. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    There are speculations about why the death toll are so high in Italy and Spain compared to for example Germany . Some say it is connected to age and smoking . Others say they where to slow to react . Recently antibiotics and resistant bacteria has been mentioned . And pictures like this has been posted

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    These number is not correct anymore as they are from 2014. . But there is huge difference in the amount of antibiotics used in food I the different countries.

    https://www.faktisk.no/notiser/6Kk/populaert-kjottbilde-bruker-utdaterte-tall

    https://www.animalia.no/no/Dyr/anti...sistens/nedgang-i-antibiotikabruken-i-europa/

    We are also extremely careful with the use of antibiotics when people are sick too. I have three children. 6, 9 and 11 . Neither off them has ever used antibiotics .
     
  8. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
  9. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I personally have only used antibiotics once in my life, due to an infection that could have been highly dangerous if not treated. but never to fight a virus or other kind of illness. But then I hardly feel any pain when being sick or having a tooth problem, so I never get sedatives either, because I do not need to. I once had surgery and got an infection that had to be treated, so my wound was then cut open by a surgeon once more with no use of any kind of antibiotics or sedatives, except for a nurse holding my hand. Perhaps it's due to my Viking genes ;)
     
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  10. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
  11. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
  12. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #487 Ceres, Apr 3, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    Well, in Denmark people in need of ventilators because they have trouble or are unable to breathe, has dropped from 138 to 135 this past day, so it could seem that the tide has turned.

    Btw, in Denmark you get counted no matter what you died of, if you then are tested positive for Coronavirus after the fact. So in Denmark you also get tested. after you have died in hospital of heart failure, cancer or whatever.

    I have on the other hand seen proof of the Swedish authorities cheating with the number of Coronavirus deaths, not counting them all.

    Here is the Swedish authorities website, counting 282 deaths
    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

    Here is the privately owned Swedish Coronavirus website, counting 307 deaths:
    https://c19.se/

    More (in swedish) :
    https://samnytt.se/folkhalsomyndighetens-statistik-ifragasatts-visar-inte-alla-doda/
     
  13. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    In Denmark the government and media do not write that people die of Coronavirus, but with Coronavirus, due to how they do the counting and statistics, but 16 more has died with Coronavirus in Denmark today, but then the number of people in need of ventilators to be able to breathe, has dropped from 135 to 116. So the good news is that this number now seem to keep dropping.
     
  14. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Sometimes sounds like we are some 3rd world nation. Theres aclot to be proud regarding Sweden.
     
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  15. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I think it has more to do with the Swedish authorities often pretending that they know better than the rest of the world, and then when it become painfully obvious that they made a mistake and an ass of themselves, they do all they can to hide the real numbers and facts from the public. I do not know of any Dane who believe any "official" news that comes out of Sweden.
     
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  16. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    We’re doing just fine as a nation. Keep on hating bro.
     
  17. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Sweden is probably one of the best nation to be living in the world. Continue downtalk us best you like. I think I should be thankful I live here and not most other places around the globe tbh.

    God kväll
     
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  18. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #493 Ceres, Apr 3, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
    Sweden is fairly large in size, so most Swedes do live the good life, nowhere near where you find the real problems and not really being told much about what is actually going on. and so Sweden is still among the top-10 happiest countries in the world, though not quite up there with the rest of the Nordic countries, but fairly close behind :

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/duncan...-countries-in-the-world-in-2019/#340c509c48a5

    If we take this Coronavirus crisis, then it's mainly Stockholm that now is in deep trouble with the virus running rampant in the ghettos and at least 29 of 88 elderly care homes now officially being infected. There is also reliable news about people being send home from hospital and when they then die of Coronavirus related pneumonia, they are not to be tested, reported or registered, except as "lunginflammation utan specifikation." (pneumonia without specification), just as the latest news from Stockholm doctors is that they have stopped treating some of the infected in intensive care, now just giving them oxygen and morphine, in lack of ventilators.
    https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/7445616

    But this is in Stockholm, so it do not really affect the rest of the country at this point, and if the authorities are able downplay and hide the real numbers, by not testing, reporting,and register people who die at home and not at hospital, then most of the rest of the country may feel more safe and out of harms way... and perhaps most of them will be .. and perhaps it wont turn out as bad as in Italy, but it's still the kind of fake news from the authorities you should not expect from a country in this part of the world.
     
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  19. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    There are areas where sweden is prob better than other nordic countries also. I dont want this to be a bragging competition. Ive just noticed youve always seemed to be looking down on us. You keep on doing that its ok.
    I live in Sweden and have been to many places around europe. Must say I feel blessed to live here. I live a high standard of living in a beautiful nation. Noone will be able to take away my national pride.

    Peace out nordic brothers//
     
  20. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    National pride is good especially if you're living in a Scandinavian country. I lived in Stockholm for 16 months when I was younger and though there are some issues with immigration o r whatever; it's still way better than 98% of the rest of the world.

    that being said, wtf is the swedish govt doing?
     
  21. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg
    Im talking about Sweden in general. The gentleman from denmark may continue arguing how aweful sweden and swedes in general are. Its his opinion.

    Regarding the corona virus I do agree tho. The way its been handled here is horrendous. And we’ll most likely see consequences because of it.

    I just dont like constant bashing between us nordic folks generally. I dont see why one should constantly want it to be some competition on whos best at whatever etc.
    I just say we are different. I respect the other nordic countries and I would never start trashtalking our dear neighbours.

    Proud swede//
     
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  22. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    Not trying to make Sweden sound like a 3`rd world country. Still you move in the opposite direction off the heard . To my knowledge Sweden has tested fewer then any nordic country ? Still you have 7 times the death rates to Norway and 4 times Denmark? With twice as many people. The result pr now is the highest rate of deaths and contaminated . Agree? Still Denmark has the highest density pr km2 ?

    Anders Tegnell is a hot topic in Norway these days , as he is one of the few people daring to speak against the mass. To be fair , i hope he is right!
    I admire people speaking their mind and against the majority . Still this is as high game to play if he is wrong.
    He stated today that he didn't thing things would get as bad as they see today , and that Sweden could have done more in the early fase.
    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/anders-tegnell-vi-kunde-ha-borjat-kommunicera-tidigare
     
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  23. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    I'm sure both Danes and Norwegian love the Swedes as before. Still you keep go against the herd on several on several things these days!
    As the brothers/sisters we are , you deserve to be told when we do not agree with you! This is something you know Svenskefaen ;) ;) Hilsen nordbaggan eller fjellapen ;) As we speak , my father in law sacrifices two weeks in quarantine to take care of his cabin in Sweden !
     
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  24. IFKgötet1

    IFKgötet1 Member

    May 4, 2012
    Club:
    IFK Goteborg

    Regarding the corona situation here I agree with both of you on all accounts.


    I see youve been sometimes giving a bit more room for a few more positives regarding our country and people. And rightly in other areas (where I agree), for example immigration, corona crisis youve been less impressed.

    Regarding immigration. One way of fixing the problem would be to remove the current regime altogether. Slow immigration rates. See to it that those that has entered and those who will enter in the future will be better intergrated into society.

    Otherwise I think we do have a lot to be proud of. Both historically and in more recent times.
     
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  25. vifvaf

    vifvaf Member

    Nov 28, 2008
    Norway
    Club:
    Valerenga IF Oslo
    Nat'l Team:
    Norway
    No doubt about it! Supported :thumbsup: Still I believe the Swedes need to speak their voice to a greater extent to keep you interest regarding todays situation. And my impression is that the Swedes are much better than the Norwegian`s to say when enough is enough . You are just a bit slow these days ;)
     
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