Alert: Covid-19 and our favorite team

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  1. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    There is nothing in the rest of the post resembling facts, just opinion.
     
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  2. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    In the current Orwellian environment, federalism is frequently misconstrued as fascism. Trump's a "dictator," except he's not dictating enough for the liking of reflexive totalitarians.
     
  3. NedZ

    NedZ Member+

    May 19, 2001
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  4. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
    near Palo Alto, CA
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    BTW you guys, this is not soccer-related, but this morning I took advantage of Target's Senior hour, which is 8:00-9:00 AM I think just on Wed.

    I went to the RWC store and was actually able to purchase TP and clorox wipes (limit 1 each). I also got a bunch of groceries that I haven't been able to find in my neighborhood grocery store (e.g. raisins). I was in and out in about 20 minutes (my goal in any store is to have < 15 mins of exposure, preferably < 1 minute). And all the store employees were so sweet and nice.

    Target has been my favorite store for a long time, and now it is even more my favorite. I just hope they can keep this up another month (or 2). I had tried online ordering from Target, and it was just hopeless because nothing appeared to be in stock, so going there turned out to be the best way. Prices are definitely creeping up though, and there are definitely increasing levels of shortages of lots of stuff.
     
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  5. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    The President had stated he expects 100K deaths, his medical team states 100K to 240K, all of this occurred in his Tuesday 3/31 press conference. I added that number and noted it was an expected number as that is what his experts are stating.

    I don't know if other countries have given official forward looking estimates but if they have I will add those as well. I will also update once a week the official recorded totals as each country deals with the virus.
     
  6. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    #1306 don gagliardi, Apr 1, 2020
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    And here's a San Jose Inside column from today critical of what's missing from the dashboard. Speculation in the comments that the local health authorities are hiding the hospitalization data because the hospitals are not, in fact, inundated, a fact which would render suspect the continued lock down in this region.

    . . . while the county previously reported the number of COVID-19 patients that had been laid up in hospital beds at some point, it stopped sharing that number once it launched the new dashboard. . . .


    https://www.sanjoseinside.com/2020/...cal-data-on-hospitalization-testing-capacity/
     
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  7. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    There will be a breaking point, that is clear. That's the point that Don was making early on when you were saying how wrong he was. You can't shut down an economy forever. Eventually stores run dry and people get hungry, or they run out of money and get desperate and do desperate things. Not to mention just mentally no longer able to take it.

    So maybe, since now that you see that this is in fact another facet that we also need to consider, maybe there are other alternatives.

    Maybe agricultural areas can social distance instead of SIPing so they can continue to grow food.

    And maybe we put stricter controls on those most in danger - those over say 65, and start letting younger folks go back to work.

    Here's an idea that will blow your mind: how about we allow several schools to re-open and see what happens? Risk of death under 20 is effectively zero.
     
  8. due time

    due time Member+

    Mar 1, 1999
    Santa Clara
    That will be really helpful, thanks!
     
  9. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    Isn't the stated purpose of SIP to avoid inundating the hospitals. You seem to be insinuating that SIP had no affect on hospitalization because there was never an epidemic in the first place that necessitated the SIP order. Is that what you are saying?
     
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  10. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    One of the benefits of a less blunderbuss approach than a quarantine of the entire population is that allowing a large segment of said population (30 percent or more depending on the virulence) to become safely infected helps foster "herd immunity," which, once developed, provides the effective benefit of a vaccine, or so we were told by science until this latest hysteria.

    Younger people should be able to work and go to school. Some will require hospitalization yet survive, but the hospitals -- certainly in this area -- will be able to handle it. (Of course, this area may already have herd immunity, which may be why our mortality numbers remain so strikingly low despite being among the first American communities impacted.)
     
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  11. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    I'm saying the local hospitals may have the capacity to meet the expected demand based on the data we're seeing locally. (Hard to tell when the local authorities are suddenly suppressing the data).
     
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  12. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    So do they wait until their capacity is running low to order a SIP? This is not like a faucet, once the drip starts, a tidal wave is next.

    This issue is that people are not going to the hospital unless they really need it but that does not stop people from infecting other people who then might need to go to the hospital
     
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  13. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    It's been dripping for over a month (at least). Confirmed Santa Clara County cases go back into February. Where's the tidal wave?
     
  14. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
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    Shows the effectiveness of the SIP!:)
     
  15. Earthshaker

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    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    What, you don't think farms aren't already exempt as an essential service? My pool man told me yesterday that pool maintenance has been declared an essential service. Something tells me if that is essential then food production is also essential.
    I don't think you get it. Younger people, if they get it, are less likely to show symptoms and the risk is they spread it to others. Testing for the virus, and antibody testing is what is neeeded. Where the hell are all those tests, those "beautiful" tests?:rolleyes:
     
  16. Smurfquake

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    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
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    Agriculture businesses (i.e. farms) are considered essential under the current rules - they are allowed to keep farming.

    The problem with schools is that those students live with other people, and going to school on a daily basis will not only expose the students, but whoever lives with them. Sorry, Grandma, we need to move you out of the house when Junior goes back to his petri dish.

    Testing is the solution. Once testing is widely available and fast enough that hotspots can be shut down, then a lot of things can reopen. If only there were a national plan in place to get testing in the numbers we need.
     
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  17. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
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    If you look at the numbers in NYC, the 40-50 year old age group is especially hard hit. I wonder how many of the victims caught the disease from their symptomless and now orphaned kids?

    Sending children back to school, or sports, would be madness. Until we have testing, or a way to evaluate who is most susceptible, we can't go back to life as normal. Just think of this as a war, except wars often last years and years. The duration of the pandemic will be much shorter.
     
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  18. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

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    Feb 28, 2004
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    New York State has had a SIP since March 20, which is only a day behind California's (March 19), and four days behind Santa Clara County's (March 16).

     
  19. TyffaneeSue

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    Nov 15, 2003
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    People are taking it seriously here. There, not so much, and it's not being enforced. Did you see the crowds that turned out to watch the hospital ship dock?

    It's also much tougher to maintain distance as a small area is densely populated and many people have to get around using the subways.

    Nowhere in this entire country do we have the restrictions that have been successful elsewhere.

    By the way, the economic cost of letting the pandemic run its course is far greater than the cost of taking appropriate measures. And that's without considering the value of human lives.
     
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  20. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

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    Awesome, and thank you for running that down. It makes me feel much better to know that OUR team are acting like good guys.

    Go Quakes!!
    Go Quakesfans!!

    - Mark
     
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  21. tvromero

    tvromero Member

    Jun 2, 2018
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...hopeful-but-cautious/articleshow/74931591.cms

    Interesting read. If you notice Japan has very few Covid-19 cases and in fact a lot of Asian countries where BCG is automatic are doing fairly well. India's SIP is very aggressive but they have such a huge population that I find it hard to understand how they have done so well at this point.

    I can't seem to find when we stopped broad BCG in the US but I did find this reference,

    Might explain the relative low rates in Mexico.

    Also I don't understand how is SF not seeing big issues due to their density but maybe they have a higher Asian population who got BCG.
     
  22. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
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    Nov 15, 2003
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    Quoting the exact words of the president isn't factual enough for you? He does say some pretty off-the-wall stuff!
     
  23. Goodsport

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    #1323 Goodsport, Apr 2, 2020
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    What's heartening is that sometime last week, I was listening to two guys* on KNBR discuss whether or not this country's other pro sports leagues outside of the "Big Four" (NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL) can survive the current pandemic.

    As one of them named off some of the smaller leagues (a rugby league, a lacrosse league, etc.), he eventually named off Major League Soccer, to which the other guy replied, "Nah, MLS has enough backing behind it now that I think it'll make it through."

    After years of listening to constant derision toward the league and its chances of survival from all corners of the sports talk spectrum, including from our own backyard, I was practically flabbergasted (in a good way) by the complete public image reversal. :eek:

    In fact, if MLS continues to expand as scheduled, it'll have just as many teams as MLB and the NBA currently have (only one team less than the NHL and only two teams less than the NFL) by 2022. ;)

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G


    * I can't remember exactly who they were, but they weren't any of the infamous old anti-soccer farts from years past. These guys actually sounded a bit more objective.
     
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  24. don gagliardi

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    #1324 don gagliardi, Apr 2, 2020
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2020
    And, now we have hospital bed data on the Santa Clara County dashboard (scroll to Hospital Dashboard). As of 3/31/20:

    https://www.sccgov.org/sites/phd/DiseaseInformation/novel-coronavirus/Pages/dashboard.aspx

    As suspected, lots of availability across the board: beds, ICU beds, reserves of beds ("surge"), and ventilators. Lowest of these, ICU beds, with roughly a third available and roughly a third being used by COVID-19 patients. The ICU bed need for COVID-19 could double and still not overwhelm the system.
     
  25. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    We haven't hit our peak yet (based on the models I've seen, we hit our peak around April 24), but we're looking pretty good right now. That is thanks to Newsom and his relatively quick actions.

    I hope the trends continue to be positive. We could have easily been like NY where they are estimated to be massively short of ICU beds and ventilators when they peak (again based on the models I've seen which do have a significant margin of error, NY will need ~10K more ICU beds and ~10K more ventilators). I'm surprised things aren't looking worse in S.F. where there is more density.

    I read an article, somewhere on the NY Times, that NY was trying to buy more ventilators from an unnamed vendor, but was told that they were outbid by California at the last minute. As things usually go, the folks with money will do much better and CA has the most. While the overall numbers will be low relatively speaking, smaller states are going to be hit hard (I'm very worried for Florida... old people, stupid people and this virus don't mix well).
     

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