2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

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  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    #976 balu, Apr 1, 2020
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  2. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #977 Mikael_Referee, Apr 4, 2020
  3. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #978 Mikael_Referee, Apr 23, 2020
    A large collection of refereeing highlights, including the context of each matches:

    Nicosia Derby handled by one of UEFA's most prospective referees from Bosnia
    APOEL - Omónoia, Irfan Peljto

    Moscow Derby in the Russian Cup handled by recently promoted UEFA 1st Cat. official
    Spartak Moskva - CSKA Moskva, Sergej Ivanov (Evgenij Turbin)

    Greek Relegation Playoff 2L, featuring lawsuits, fights, and an amazing finish in a Cretan Derby
    OFI Crete - Plataniás, Georgios Komínis

    French Relegation Playoff Semifinal, featuring a bus attack and total chaos in extra time
    Ajaccio - Le Havre, Frank Schneider

    Swiss Relegation Playoff 2L, featuring an amazing comeback
    FC Aarau - Neuchâtel Xamax, Adrien Jaccottet

    Bulgarian Relegation Playoff, featuring three Red Cards and handled by (IMO) a future CL Final referee
    Septemvri Sofia - Arda Kardzhali, Georgi Kabakov

    French Cup Round of Sixteen, featuring nine goals, a breathless match handled by a much underrated referee (who maybe had an off day)
    Angers - Rennes, Thomas Léonard

    Biggest Derby in Romania, featuring a scary injury and following Red Card, handled by a name to watch out for in the future
    Dinamo Bucharest - FCSB (Steaua), Horațiu Feșnic

    Champions League Preliminary Round

    Feronikeli - Lincoln Red Imps, Fedayi San (Switzerland)
    Feronikeli - Santa Coloma, Emmanouíl Skoulás (Greece)

    Portuguese Taça da Liga

    Porto - Benfica, Carlos Xistra (Fábio Veríssimo)
    Porto - Sporting, João Pinheiro (Tiago Martins)
    Braga - Porto, Luís Godinho (Tiago Martins)
     
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  4. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    #979 bothways, Apr 24, 2020
    thank you mikael..only watched the Romanian clip..minor quibble..he gave an IFK instead of,DFK?
     
  5. Mikael_Referee

    Mikael_Referee Member+

    Jun 16, 2019
    England
    #980 Mikael_Referee, Apr 24, 2020
    Offside, as indicated by AR2.
     
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  6. bothways

    bothways Member

    Jun 27, 2009
    #981 bothways, Apr 24, 2020
    mikael, thank you for clarifiying that. the whole thing was distressing to watch. the poor ref probably didnt even think about the head injury as he is giving the guy a caution. so glad there was instant treatment. which part of england are you from you should create a blog with all your clips, etc
     
  7. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #982 RedStar91, Apr 24, 2020
    Dutch league joins the Belgian in canceling the 2019-2020 season.

    Since the title race is neck and neck, no champion crowned and promotion and relegation will occur.

    I think current standings will decided who gets awarded European places for next season.

    This, I suspect, is the first of many leagues to follow. Other leagues will probably follow very soon.

    I think the Premier league will somehow find a way to finish the season even if it means playing in September or October as the legal battle of not finishing the season is almost not worth the cancelation.
     
  8. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #983 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 25, 2020
    Remains to be seen.
    AZ Alkmaar only in goal difference is behind Ajax, but head on the beat them at home and away without conceiding a goal. On topof that they also beat both Feyenoord and PSV away without conceiding a goal while they still have to play them at home.
    AZ manager, former baseball star Robert Eenhoorn, is contemplating going to court. It means giving Ajax about 30 million at the disadvantage of AZ.
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  9. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    #984 roby, Apr 25, 2020
    Good stuff...is it just me noticing that lately players are having trouble staying on their feet? :unsure:
     
  10. gold4278

    gold4278 Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #985 gold4278, Apr 27, 2020
    Probably figuring that VaR will help bail them out more than the refs on the field used to...
     
  11. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #986 RedStar91, Apr 28, 2020
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  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #987 MassachusettsRef, Apr 28, 2020
    As the article notes, the French government decision has big implications for UEFA. If PSG can't play at home until September, then UEFA cannot finish the UCL in August per the plan that was allegedly developing. Even if UEFA tried to go to a neutral site event, I'm sure PSG would have logistical issues over training and prep that would likely lead to giant legal brouhaha.

    I might be wrong, but as there were no Dutch or Belgian teams left in the Europa League, I think this is the first official act that clearly prevents one of the two UEFA competitions from being completed prior to what would be the planned start of 2020-2021 group stage European competition. Up until this point, you could see a way how 2019-2020 could be completed even as 2020-2021 qualifying started but now, the final stages of 2019-2020 would have to overlap significantly with the 2020-2021 proper competition. I genuinely don't see how it happens. Such an overlap is untenable.

    Particularly since this is just the first such government decision. I know Italy is trying a phased re-opening, but the odds of Germany or Spain making a decision similar to France seems quite high. And, at that point, it's over. And all that is only considering government action and ignores the whole question of player contracts being up at the end of the summer.
     
  13. greek ref

    greek ref Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    Club:
    Panathinaikos Athens
    Nat'l Team:
    Greece
    #988 greek ref, Apr 28, 2020
    I think that UEFA has a back-up plan for such cases. It is rumoured that they plan to host a final-4 or final-8 on the 2 venues of CL and EL. If this is true, then they will only be affected in Turkey or Poland take a similar decision as Dutch of French government.
     
  14. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #989 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 28, 2020
    How are they going to do that with all the travel bans in place except for really necesary/essential travels?
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #990 MassachusettsRef, Apr 28, 2020
    Exactly. Travel is clearly an issue. But so is just prep and planning. If UEFA wants to finish UCL and UEL in August, but a bunch of teams legally can't even train domestically and technically aren't allowed to travel... yeah, it can't happen. PSG is going to go to Turkey for one match in August with no prep, perhaps illegally, and with several players out of contract (and therefore no liability insurance)?

    I was a relative optimist at the beginning of this (even though I think many would have called me a pessimist, because I didn't think anything was finishing before late July). But it's becoming increasingly clear that a lot of this isn't going to be salvageable.

    On an somewhat related note, as I'm sure some involved with PRO or MLS know, the issue of cross-border travel for the Vancouver Whitecaps and Toronto FC (as well as non-US based players and referees generally) is a potential giant hiccup in trying to organize any sort of MLS competition this summer.
     
  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #991 RedStar91, Apr 29, 2020
    I think now it's just a waiting game between Germany, Italy and Spain as to who will cave in first and call off the season. Whoever blinks first and calls it off will mean that the other competitions will follow suit and the European season will essentially be done.

    I'm actually relatively optimistic about the EPL restarting. I think they are just so determined to finish the season that they will.

    I'm not so sure the other leagues will.

    What's fascinating with this discussion about leagues restarting or starting is everyone talks about how there has to be ample tests for this to work. Which I agree with.

    The issue is no one seems to be discussing is what happens when a player or member of the team contracts the virus?

    All these leagues are assuming once they restart that no one will get the virus.

    What do you do? Do you quarantine an entire team? Suspend the season for two weeks?

    This is something that we all are going to have to live with as part of our lives for the foreseeable future.
     
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  17. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #992 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 29, 2020
  18. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #993 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 29, 2020
    Vincenzo Spadafora, the Italian minister of Sport has said Serie A should follow the line of the Netherlands and France.
    He said it becomes more and more unlikely the current season will be completed.
     
  19. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    #994 Rufusabc, Apr 29, 2020
    @MassRef makes an extremely valid point about contract expirations. If your current deal expires on June 30th, it would take some doing to get ME to play matches in August.

    i know it’s not fiscally sound but cancelling is the simplest. Thay way Liverpool isn’t Champions of England. :whistling::whistling::whistling:
     
  20. feyenoordsoccerfan

    feyenoordsoccerfan Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Dragon's den, Rotterdam Netherlands
    #995 feyenoordsoccerfan, Apr 29, 2020
    In another thread, where a Liverpool fan posts too, I offered him my voodoo qualities when Liverpool became the winterbreak champions to lift the winterbreak curse haunting them. They were 3 times that, but 3 times failed to become champions.
    For a selection of Irish quality whisky I offered my services. Liverpool at the break already were so far ahead that it was unimaginable to think they fail the 4th time.
    He made fun of my offer:devilish:
     
  21. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    #996 balu, Apr 30, 2020
  22. El Rayo Californiano

    El Rayo Californiano Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    #997 El Rayo Californiano, Jun 9, 2020
    Spanish first division resumes this Thursday, June 11, 2020, with the Seville derby (Sevilla vs. Real Betis, 4:00 PM Eastern). Mateu Lahoz will referee. La Liga has contracted with EA Sports for recorded crowd noise.
     
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  23. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    #998 fischietto, Jun 11, 2020
    Coppa Italia Semifinals this weekend:

    Juventus-Milan
    ORSATO

    Napoli-Inter
    ROCCHI

    Buon CALCIO ⚽️ It’s so nice to be back!
     
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  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #999 MassachusettsRef, Jun 11, 2020
    Back on specifically UEFA news, the most concrete and seemingly credible reports now indicate tournaments in Frankfurt and Lisbon to finish the QFs onward of the Europa League and Champions League, respectively. Aim is for August.

    No idea how UEFA is going to deal with finishing the Round of 16 for either event (which, in the UEL, includes two ties that had both legs postponed). Decision looks like it would come early next week.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52980817
     
  25. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    #1000 RedStar91, Jun 11, 2020
    Logic says they have to finish the round of 16 for at least the ties that are only half way through at the respective home stadiums of the second leg. I can't imagine Barcelona or Man City just waiving the second leg home advantage they worked hard all season to obtain. Even if it is in an empty stadium.

    But something tells me they won't. As we've seen all leagues from all sports across the world, there is no limit to how far they will go to bastardize and ruin the integrity of their competition just to finish it and get their money in.

    Baseball is probably gonna play a 50 game season and invite pretty much every team into the playoffs and then somehow with a straight face say the season is legitimate.

    MLS will have a glorified pre-season tournament count for regular season standings and award a CONCACAF Champions League place to the winner of this tournament.

    The NBA will restart their season 5 months after it was halted and finish it in an empty gym in Orlando and then be adamant that their champion shouldn't have an asterisk next to it.

    So UEFA just moving the second leg of a knockout tie that is only half way through into a neutral site location wouldn't be out of bounds at all.
     
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