Coronavirus COVID19 - Megathread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Eddie, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    See Ischgl. Store manager actually received text messages from doctors and other owners to please lock down the store because he's going to kill people and he didn't give a damn. Now the entire region is locked and damaged for years.
     
  2. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Got off the phone with my parents and two of our family friends were tested positive. A couple in their mild 40s. The wife is feeling better after a few days with a mild fever, the husband's fever is going down slowly but he's making progress.
     
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  3. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    I would like to believe that both events are in fact not mutually exclusive. Meaning saving both lives short-term, and preventing horrific recession which in today`s global market would be extremely bad.

    That article suggest exactly this. But of course, massive limitation being lack of resources - specifically testing on everybody, which is crucial to implement such strategy.
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    And mostly old people dropping dead so doesn't count.
     
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  5. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    I am reading the article and it says that authorities practically ignored situation and were saying everything is peachy... until it was to late.

    Ski resort. 500k people per winter. All you can eat buffet for Covid.
     
  6. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Opening stores as things are is practically as good as ignoring the situation. "hey, let's test and see who we can allow to spend money" isn't a particularly motivational message for customers especially with the amount of existential dread currently going on. People holding their pockets shut.

    Again I think there is no golden solution right now. If here was it would surely not come from a "I'm going to lose my savings!" standpoint
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I would argue that they should just finish this season whenever that is. Compared to what we're dealing with now in life, finishing the season in October-November would be just fine IMO. Yeah, I know there is a transfer window between now and then but there are already 2 windows that overlap each season anyway. So f*ck it. Just play it to completion. Better than flushing the 2019-20 season down the bog.
     
  8. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I think that will definitely happen with the NBA. No one wants this season scrapped without playoffs and have 82 regular season games per team next season without a meaningful playoff game in between.
     
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  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yeah, its easier for American sports because their seasons are really only 2 months long essentially, and no promotion/relegation to make things even more complicated. [Accept NFL, which is all of 5 months].

    But European leagues may want/need to consider a Scottish-type format for next season. i.e. play 19 rounds, split the league in half, then play 9 more rounds (v each team in your 'group'). That saves 10 rounds, which might be necessary to wrap-up before the Euros.
     
  10. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Grocery stores are open, with some changes. It would be interesting to see statistic about infection rates among let`s say grocery store personnel.

    Accurately determining low / high risk population and isolating high risk one sounds like a good idea to me. Albeit there is a major issue. Resources and time of course.
     
  11. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2006
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    Real Madrid
    Over here grocery stores and postal offices have personnel sitting behind glass shields wearing masks and protective clothing.

    Hard to believe that I'll go to an Adidas store and pick up a jacket and the people working there will be walking up to me wearing a hazmat suit.

    It looks like nothing is going to happen before Easter though so it's really just speculation.
     
  12. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Might have to go to work with a hazmat suit ... given your teammates may go to restaurants and bars. Therein lies the problem.
     
  13. white_raid

    white_raid Member+

    Oct 17, 2006
    These strict lockdowns are untenable in the long run. Even during the Spanish flu of 1918, most cities imposed them only for several weeks. The measures managed to lower the peak rates, but in the long run did not do too much to lower the number of excess deaths, since those regions that were quarantined during the first wave had a stronger second. The virus simply had to do its thing. Of course, out of precaution the world will give more time now to find solutions, but perhaps this thing is here to stay with us for a while and we'll have to live with it, just like in the past with many epidemics.
     
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  14. janos audron

    janos audron Member+

    Apr 12, 2010
    Visited post office today in my town. Gloves and no masks. Albeit it has mighty glass shield. But in general personnel has gloves and masks. While as for protective clothing, i have not seen one yet.
     
  15. Chinky24

    Chinky24 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Dec 26, 2004
    Nashville
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Neighbor's friends that I think I met at a dinner party over holiday season got coronavirus. Sad - hopefully they recover.

    Going to be one of those Walking Dead twists where we realize we all had it.
     
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  16. Eddie

    Eddie Member+

    Oct 19, 2005
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    Real Madrid
  17. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
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    Real Madrid
    I’m starting to think an insane more amount of us have it than we realize. We’re just not showing any symptoms
     
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  18. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Define “strict lockdown”.
     
  19. Deep Pal

    Deep Pal Member+

    Jun 19, 2013
    India,Kolkata
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    India
    The sheer number of educated fools, adventurists that are still there makes it impossible to implement a strict lockdown.

    In India , people are still in the frame of mind that this is some kind of a vacation going on. Still having lots and lots of people meeting in groups to gossip, dozens of friends coming over for having a "good" time, people meeting en masse at mosques to offer prayers , to the extent the government had to take prehistoric steps of beating em up by police :(

    We are yet to face community transmission, once that happens, it is going to be really really terrible. People just don't understand simple maths to tackle this problem...they are still like " nothing will happen to me" - absolutely bonkers attitude. There's so much a government can do.

    Also, a severe problem in our country is that there is a huge huge chunk of people who work hand to mouth, these people decided to move back to their natives, which will lead to a surge in cases. It is really heartbreaking.


    Also severe under testing, huge number of people in asymptomatic phase plus idiots who are having symptoms and suppressing it out of fear - situation is looking bleak.

    Prayers for all in these testing times. Hope we survive this and come out better as a human race with less greed.
     
  20. nassar_7

    nassar_7 Member

    Nov 30, 2006
    Pakistan
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Pakistan
    Sharing with you that the response of my country Pakistan has been very encouraging. The WHO had listed 6 countries only which took the best initial measures and Pakistan was among them. Our tally is around 1200 and only 9 deaths. Our country is also in a lockdown but grocery stores, pharmacies and hospitals are open. Plus we just helped Italy today by sending 500,000 chloroquine medicines which have helped in fighting the covid 19. We are doing all we can in this awful situation. But i am so happy that we have a great PM in these dire times. Stay safe everyone and be strong we will make it.
     
  21. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Because more tests being performed and documentation of backlogged cases. Deaths are basically lagging indicator of the disease.
    Not all people die 2 weeks after testing positive. Some take a week, others 4.

    https://milano.repubblica.it/cronac...HPPTP-BH-I252331136-C12-P3-S1.8-T1&refresh_ce

    New infection as a function of %tests performed was a bit higher but longer trend is coming down. Lombardy went from 42.05 to 29.57% yesterday

    "We haven’t reached the peak and we haven’t passed it,” the chief of the Superior Health Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, told reporters before the data was released.

    Nonetheless, he said there were “signs of a slowdown” in the numbers of infections, which slipped from the previous 24-hour period.


    Once again, the city of Bergamo saw the most new cases on Friday - 602 - with Milan in second place with 547.
    >>>However, the region as a whole saw a slight dip.

    "The infection rate is not growing and I think it is about to fall,” said Lombardy Governor Attilio Fontana.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-extended-idUSKBN21E2DJ?utm_source=reddit.com
     
  22. Saeta Rubia

    Saeta Rubia Member+

    May 28, 2010
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
     
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  23. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Small victories.

    Sure, but we can't do anything about the past, it has be now. And it ********ed over immigrants as well, which apart from the xenophobia and racism, is short sighted if containment is the purpose. But there is no indication that if this bill had been passed a month ago we would have flatlined. There are way to many issues going on to make that kind of assertion. Sure we'd be in a better place, but I doubt that we would be close to flatlining. That would mean this administration has some kind of planning, which it does not.

    There are also contracts which are expiring be that players, staff, sponsors, vendors, etc. Some will be contingent on where teams finish. I'm imaging that there are quite a few clubs in the EPL who don't want Spurs to return with a healthy Harry Kane and Son Hung Min.

    There is very little evidence that this is true. And it can even be dangerous.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-chloroquine-treat-coronavirus/

    I was wondering if this was true, and found this:
    https://www.samaa.tv/global/2020/03...0-anti-coronavirus-tablets-to-italy-ministry/
    which says:

    Pakistan has announced that it will donate 500,000 tablets of chloroquine, a medicine useful for the treatment of coronavirus patients, to Italy, the Italian foreign affairs ministry said in a statement on its website.

    The statement said “the medications were made available by the local Armed Forces, as confirmed to our Ambassador by the Army Chief of Staff, General Bajwa.”

    None of the people mentioned appear to be doctors, let alone versed in coronoviruses. Additionally, that is the only source I could find. The press release from Italy seems to have been taken down. Do you have another source? I ask because this is dangerous if being promoted because it has not been through rigorous testing and verification it works (we had a fool die because he self-medicated with chloroquine).

    Another question, though, to ask is how reliable are those numbers from the WHO, and what is the projection. I ask because as we have seen, both the Atalanta v. Valencia match as well as Marti Gras in New Orleans (and what might also be Spring Break beaches in Florida) have become super spreader events. According to:
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...-super-spreader-to-the-muslim-world-1.8708783

    Coronavirus cases rooted to the Tableeghi Jamaat alone have now expanded to the province of Sindh and the capital, Islamabad, where an entire locality has been quarantined after five members of the congregation were tested positive. In addition to Palestine, now residents of Kyrgyzstan, affiliated with Tableeghi Jamaat, have also tested positive.

    Given that the Tableeghi Ijtema took place two weeks ago, which is also the incubation period of COVID-19, we are witnessing the cases linked to that gathering being reported this week, with more reports expected to follow.

    Considering that Pakistan’s numbers are prodigiously underreported, one can only imagine the actual gravity of the spread that might have been caused by the millions who came together for the latest Friday prayers. What makes the alarm bells even more ominous is that there still is no closure of mosques in the offing, with another Friday looming.

    I've not versed in the various aspects of Islam, but from what I gather Tableeghi Jamaat is an organizing body which, in this case, put together an event two weeks ago in which 250,000 people attended. Thus, those who were at that even are likely just now showing symptom severe enough to test, and based on the other gatherings mentioned, looks ominous.

    My additional question about Pakistan is more practical: what is the testing capability? I ask this as it varies widely around the world.

    (I did all this because, as I said, sources are important to prevent the spread of misleading or even false information and I was curious and hopeful.)
     
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  24. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
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    Apr 29, 2013
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