There is a difference from free speech and fake news used for malignant purposes. Also free speech isn't a worldwide thing and even in country's where this is practiced that doesn't mean there aren't consequences.
No one is advocating for censorship. But it's clear there is a level of responsibility. You mislead people on purpose for your own gain then you should be accountable.
I agree that free speech should be protected but that's not what fake news is. I can open a facebook page now, create a post about coronavirus that misinforms people, which could potentially lead to harm, pay 10 euros and that post would reach 100k people easily. I can do even worse by targeting the old and uneducated so the damage is greater.
Yes this all very obvious stuff. My point is I stand for 100% free speech. It’s better than any alternative. I also don’t trust Facebook to make moral decisions on what is & isn’t fake news or morally acceptable. I detest Facebook.
Congratulations. Most people however believe in responsible speech for all, not unlimited speech for all. Including the courts in the US, which have defined the limits of free speech (fairly broadly, perhaps too broadly for my liking, but they have imposed limits on them so you can’t say anything you want without repercussions).
What you're advocating isn't free speech; it's anarchy... and I believe your (reasonable) dislike for Facebook is clouding your reasoning here.
Thats the beauty of life, there are consequences for our actions & words. Free speech must be protected at all costs. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
Free speech protects you from the government censoring your constitutional right to speak Facebook as a private entity has every right to not allow people to use them as a medium to spread false information or hatred. Just like the mods here have the authority to ban a poster
Thank god for Facebook and their altruistic ways! Left that pos website about decade ago so happy I did. My comments about free speech go much beyond Facebook. Also, censoring people doesn’t solve anything. It just makes me people hide their true feelings and find more devious/hidden ways to get their message out. Like I said. It’s 100% free speech or nothing else. People advocating for anything else simply don’t get it.
Meh. I find that social media, including FB, hlas a whole has allowed for more misinformation and ignorance. I am all for free speech, but it doesn't do any good for any POS from either side posting false information to create further division. I've seen posts about muslims in down town beating white women as news that were happening at real time. That shit can't be protected under free speech.
But that's not free speech again....Private entities have every right to controlled the message being put through them Just like certain channels block curse words and othees not. You are confusing free speech and what it was intended to do, which was like most of our bill of rights, meant to protect against government.
I’m not confused about anything. I’m extremely clear in what I believe & have stated so already a few times. Have fun on Facebook, I’m sure it’s adding wonderfully to the quality of your life.
I don't have a FB account or any social media membership...precisely because i don't like the expansion of misinformation
That’s good, there are many reasons why social media is not good. People also need to be smart enough to figure out what is legit information & what isn’t. People need to take personal ownership of their lives. Also what Facebook or the government deems as the “truth” & what isn’t is a scary thought as far as I’m concerned. Don’t trust neither of them.
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As if Facebook and Twitter as corporations as the examples of free speech and non censorship. Both apply questionable standards in censoring what they "feel" is wrong. I would not trust any of these platforms for correct information.
Sorry to jump into your forum, but discovered this and being more international has some great perspectives. As an American, and one which is fairly politically aware, let me verify/clarify some things 1 - The bill, which is package number 3, and leader of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi thinks there will be at least one more, has the provision to pay every American who was forced out of a job due to the COVID-19 pandemic. This included both those let go and those furrowed. Those who were already unemployed for any reason, or those fired for some cause, are not eligible. Additionally, this is also based on the most recent tax filing (this year or last year) and is graduated (I forget the amount at this point). Additionally, how quickly the money arrives is a question, but a lot will receive direct deposits which will speed up the process. I heard a couple of reports/podcasts say 2 to 3 weeks is reasonable. 2 - Regarding the US, as I'm sure you all know, we are not homogeneous in our government directives, as well as the clear centralization of our government. Thus, even if the President (I won't say his name, but that is as political as I'll get) did giver an order shut down business or stay in place, it has little legal standing as most of our day to day lives falls under state laws. What he could do is set an example like in Singapore or Hong Kong or Taiwan or New Zealand (to name a few) and let the individual states follow or even strengthen, but he has been slow so we have a mix of states having stay-in-place directives and those which do not. For example, California is basically shut down except for essential workers but Florida is not (there is no stay-in-place directive). 2a - Thus, because of those differences, there are also people who behave differently. I honestly don't know where it came from, but people started panic buying toilet paper. Some places put limits on those purchases while others didn't. But knock on effects are hording or strange products. I've joked elsewhere that, as a vegetarian, while other are fighting for the last of be beef, I'm stocking up on canned beans. Personally, I wouldn't do that, but it is an possibility in this time of crazy. 3 - @Excape Goat thanks for the view on the face masks. I thought it was due to pollution. One thing which does get lost, though, is that among the things which went quickly were the face masks, because people here thought they would help prevent sickness. So some of that bbc article, while wrong, is also trying to clear up misconceptions about the use of face masks here in the west (or at least in the US and UK). 4 - I encourage everybody to do two things regarding this thread. First, if you have info, try and link the source. There is a lot of rumor and myth going around and it is good to have the source for what you hear/read. It will also help prevent some disinformation as well as false information. Additionally, I also encourage you to visit the Coronavirus: a global pandemic thread in the Politics and Current Events forum. While there are a few who are not US based. A more varied discussion is always good, and will be welcome. 5 - Regarding the health issues, first let me say that I hope everybody is healthy and so are your families. Beyond that, the time table for a vaccine is 12 to 18 months from now. This is for safety concerns for not rushing something that works, but is unsafe (read up on the Thalidomide crisis of birth defects for reference on rushing v safety). There appear to be other treatments out there, but none are vaccines (there appears to be a very cool plasma study going on right now in the Netherlands - I think there). But as for the her mentality for immunity, that is unknown. That is how typical flu-like virus work, but this is different. And one or two snippets of info I have seen say that when this virus mutates it is likely to reinfect and the typical herd immunity won't be effective. 6 - Regarding the issue of free speech, as @sneakking said, it is protection form the government. But there are reasonable limits which should be placed for the safety of the people. We can easily Goodwin this thread with Germany in the 1930s, but more recently there are the anti-vaxers who use false medical information to make their claim, and the result is that others dies. Yet the anti-vaxers are not held accountable. That is just a single example, but limiting speech is a hallmark of protecting minority groups. @YOUNGSTARS87 sorry if I stepped on your toes. Also, I didn't mean to talk down to any of you here regarding the US political system. In my experience, it is unique and some even learned foreigners don't know it all that well. I will also start keeping up here as you have some very good and interesting information. @Eddie Regarding Rand Paul, I don't have time or space here, but his vote against was a vote of inconsistency at best, hypocrisy at normal, and callousness at worst. He also felt the symptoms, got tested, then went to swam in the Senate swimming pool while others were present prior to him receiving the positive test results. Additionally, there have been other incidents regarding him which he could have been reflective, but was not. I don't hate, but karma. Again, everybody stay healthy.
Lockdown to continue in Germany at least until the 20th of April. Bundesliga restart in any shape or form looking highly unlikely as there will be strict measures even after the current strict lockdown rules.
Plz stop. You’ve embarrassed yourself many times over. We have nurses wearing trash bags and continuing to treat patients because they ran out of clean scrubs and we have people here who still don’t get it.
Meanwhile, you're fixating on the drama and making sensationalist posts about how the world is collapsing and how Corona is the worst thing to ever have happened to humanity. Every shred of positivity is being shot down immediately. Vaccine in progress? Nah, that'd take years. HCQ for Post exposure prophylaxis to the health care workers? No, it hasn't been even tested. Some country's numbers are lower than yours? Lol they aren't testing properly.
Millions are killed worldwide by Dengue TB and other more infections illnesses. Where was this awareness for health care workers before? Some people secretively appear to be keen on cheering the numbers going up daily just so they can continue keeping this doomsday narrative going on.