NSR: Coronavirus: A global Pandemic.

usscouse · Mar 24, 2020

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Yep - they baked a crazy shit sandwich and now they are baking another by staying open
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They are planning on closing the beaches. The old stable door routine. But as you say far too late.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 24, 2020

Cascarino's Pizzeria said: ↑

So does he actually believe the Cult 45-Fox News-West Wing sycophants and the bubble they've created around him? He can't, right? It's just a front that he's rolled with since 2015.
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Because I have my own psychopath, I had to study this, and the answer is "sort of"

I had a very strange experience where i sat down for a 1:1 with my psychopath who then proceeded to tell crazy lies. It was quite bizarre because it was a situation where we both knew directly what happened and he knew i knew.

So why lie? Did he believe it?

To some extent this personality type has to avoid being confronted with any truth which damages their ego or causes shame, so they lie in insane ways, even when they know they won't be believed.

It is essentially why there is no point in listening to anything they say.

Interestingly Hitler took this to insane levels. e.g Speer famously tried to see Hitler to try to make him see some reason. Hitler refused to see him. Speer wrote him a letter. Hitler had it locked in a safe unopened. When Guderian was CoS he used to get the adjutant to read back the transcripts from previous days "to refresh Hitler's mind" about the orders Hitler had himself given.

This is also why Trump ends up being surrounded by sycophants

The news media would do the US a great favour if they bothered to learn any of this stuff.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 24, 2020

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Here’s another up to date graph showing what happens when you close schools and practice social distancing. And when you don’t....!!!

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Yes - and the logic means go big/go early

You might as well take the most restrictive steps as soon as you can, because they will have more impact

Justin O · Mar 24, 2020

So Quebec has gone from 385 to 1013 since Monday.(!!)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6723874/quebec-coronavirus-march-24/amp/

Tomorrow my immunosuppressant ass and I begin the journey from Quebec City to St. Petersburg, Florida by vehicle and, I hope, a very empty direct flight from Plattsburgh. I feel like I am in a science fiction movie.

And yes I know Florida is not the ideal place to go, but it's where I can most comprehensively and comfortably quarantine myself long term. (I've thought this through. Really.)

usscouse · Mar 24, 2020

Louisiana’s coronavirus has grown faster in two weeks than anywhere else in the world.
From zero to 1,388 in14 days more than LA county that is 26 times larger.

Mardi Gras was the perfect storm. Much the same as PA’s bond raising parade of 1918.

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Mar 24, 2020

Glenn Beck willing to be killed like that young girl was in 1990

“I mean, I’m in the danger zone. I’m right at the edge, I’m 56,” he said. “In Italy they’re saying if you’re sick and you’re 60, don’t even come in. So I’m in the danger zone.”

“I would rather have my children stay home and all of us who are over 50 go in and keep this economy going and working,” Beck added. “Even if we all get sick, I would rather die than kill the country. Because it’s not the economy that’s dying, it’s the country.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/glenn...-coronavirus-than-kill-the-country?ref=scroll

dapip · Mar 24, 2020

soccernutter said: ↑

His point wasn't that it was possible in New Zealand, it was acting on what is known and what is able. Yes, we are not able to isolate an entire city (Escape from New Your anybody?), but at this stage we can't even think about letting people return to work in any normal manner because we don't have the capacity to test.

Beyond that, what business that caters to the working class/poor would willingly open. I think of Chipolte a couple of years ago when they had an issue with food poisoning. It took them a year or more to get back to normal around the country. No image some restaurant opens and it turns out one of the people who worked there got infected. Now the restaurant shuts down, all the employees have to isolate and hopefully get tested, and all the people who were customers have to isolate and get tested. And by the time the directive goes out, people will have interacted with others and likely spread the disease. This is the measles outbreak at Disney, only nobody has a vaccine.

Because of all that, Congress needs to pass a bill to support everybody. Nobody should have their electricity discoed because of non-payment. No rent or mortgage should be collected nor charged, and no evictions or foreclosures should occur due to non-payment. Car payment of all kinds need to be suspended and no repos. Penalty free access to IRAs, 401k, 403b, etc need to approved. Checks should be cut to everybody, regardless of employment status, to help pay for food, gas, etc. That should be a 60 day bill, and renewed and automatically renewed unless there is a vote to stop it.

That is a start.
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President of El Salvador just did this. He basically froze the country for three months in time, sending money to everyone, postponing utility bills and differing every type of loan. Yeah, it’s easier because it’s a very small country, but that’s how a qualified leader should have managed a crisis of this magnitude.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 24, 2020

Justin O said: ↑

I feel like I am in a science fiction movie.
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That is how I feel about the pre-pandemic days

March 9th: I remember standing at my door in Hamburg thinking "am i really going to do this?"

There still seemed no reason not to. HAM was deserted but my plane to London was full. LGW was deserted. I went through immigration with no wait. That has NEVER happened before. London seemed normal.

March 10th. Corporate event. A real mix between "thank god this event happened" "why is this even even happening" and "tomorrow my company is banning everyone from attending events". After match drinks - a sense of normality. Everyone making plans but a few of us were saying ... London is Italy, just 2 weeks in the past.

I said that to people 15 days ago!

March 11th. Flight to DBX is empty. Talking to an Irish stew who has lost many shifts.

March 12th: DBX emptier then i have ever seen it. In the airline lounge for 9 hours surrounded by cleaners. Flight to Sydney fullish. Air of normality

March 13th: Sydney - rammed. Business as usual. What the actual? Talking with the bar girl. "Yeah - everyone is here because the rest of the world is screwed"

March 25th: After 12 days of isolation - looks like I threaded the eye of the needle ...

Justin O · Mar 24, 2020

People also need to stop acting like everyone who's vulnerable is already on death's door anyway. I'm on immunosuppressants because I had a kidney transplant. I certainly don't look like I am on death's door. And I'm not. Neither did equally immunosuppressant Alonzo Mourning when he had 9 blocks vs. the Knicks when he was (like me now) in year 2 post transplant.

Chris M. · Mar 24, 2020

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Easy to do that in NZ with a small geographically isolated island. You can close the border, hunker down and isolate and track. The enormity of the US and the myriad of different state and local laws and orders makes this impossible. America even if open up for business won't recover until a vaccine comes or if this subsides not disappear with the advent of summer and Warmer temperatures.
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China is a big, enormous country that had a serious spread of the virus. They locked down, and now are coming out of it. 19 days since there has been a case in Wuhan province. You earlier stated that we can do both. Contain the virus and open the economy. No. No, we cannot. Why would you think that we could? Are you paying attention? It was less than one month ago that President Trump was talking about 15 cases that would be down to zero in a couple of days. One month. We are now at 53,000 cases. One month. If the Congress does its job, they can provide the funds to tide people over for a couple of months. Then, the economy would grow again. This lockdown is not the economic death sentence that Trump and his minions on fox say that it is. What WILL be devastating to our economy is a couple of million deaths and a virus that continues to spread right onto through the summer and into next fall. People talk about this like it is our "greatest generation moment" and yet we are such gigantic woosies that we can't lock down for a couple of months. Yes, we need to help out people who live pay check to pay check. So, do that, ride it out and then onward and upward.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 24, 2020

The scale of the US ramp is amazing

you guys are now Italy and Spain combined

superdave · Mar 24, 2020

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yet we are such gigantic woosies that we can't lock down for a couple of months. Yes, we need to help out people who live pay check to pay check. So, do that, ride it out and then onward and upward.
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I don't think human nature changes all that much, all that quickly. I think it's more the difference between FDR and Trump. Think about the dialogue between Michael J. Fox and Michael Douglas in The American President.

I honestly think that even with the Internet and social media and 500 channels, if someone like FDR (or Obama) were president, the American people would rise to the challenge.

The Jitty Slitter · Mar 24, 2020

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I honestly think that even with the Internet and social media and 500 channels, if someone like FDR (or Obama) were president, the American people would rise to the challenge.
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Exactly

If Jacinda was your president, everything would be different.

usscouse · Mar 24, 2020

Rachel’s parting shot tonight. There’s a US County.??? That is going to test and keep tabs on every single person of that State.
Should be interesting. Especially after Trump coerced Fauci into saying ‘not everyone needs a test.’

Shades of Iceland

usscouse · Mar 24, 2020

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Exactly

If Jacinda was your president, everything would be different.
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If Hilary was.

Q*bert Jones III · Mar 24, 2020

If Hillary was president, they'd be bombing federal buildings to protest the draconian infringements on personal liberty. Congress would be in recess until January 2021.

The Devil's Architect · Mar 24, 2020

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I wish all y'all were liberal Christians who read the Bible, ahem, religiously, because then you would fully understand how immensely awesome this is. I mean, @ElJefe @Coyote-Trickster @Dr. Wankler there are, what, 50 things I could say about this? 100? 200? It's like God asking humans to tee up the easiest softball in the entire history of softballs...and then humans doing it.
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1) Well for starters, there's the whole "working on the sabbath" circle to square...

2) Then there is Ezekiel

Two Adulterous Sisters

23 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.

5 “Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians—warriors 6 clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, and mounted horsemen. 7 She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after. 8 She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust on her.

9 “Therefore I delivered her into the hands of her lovers, the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10 They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword. She became a byword among women, and punishment was inflicted on her.

11 “Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12 She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13 I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way.

14 “But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

22 “Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side— 23 the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24 They will come against you with weapons, chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25 I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26 They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27 So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore.

28 “For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to deliver you into the hands of those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust. 29 They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you stark naked, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity 30 have brought this on you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. 31 You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand.

32 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says:

“You will drink your sister’s cup, a cup large and deep; it will bring scorn and derision, for it holds so much.

33 You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation, the cup of your sister Samaria.

34 You will drink it and drain it dry and chew on its pieces—and you will tear your breasts. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.

35 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Since you have forgotten me and turned your back on me, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution.”

36 The LORD said to me: “Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then confront them with their detestable practices, 37 for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; they even sacrificed their children, whom they bore to me, as food for them. 38 They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths. 39 On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they entered my sanctuary and desecrated it. That is what they did in my house.

40 “They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived you bathed yourself for them, applied eye makeup and put on your jewelry. 41 You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed the incense and olive oil that belonged to me.

42 “The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; drunkards were brought from the desert along with men from the rabble, and they put bracelets on the wrists of the woman and her sister and beautiful crowns on their heads. 43 Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, ‘Now let them use her as a prostitute, for that is all she is.’ 44 And they slept with her. As men sleep with a prostitute, so they slept with those lewd women, Oholah and Oholibah. 45 But righteous judges will sentence them to the punishment of women who commit adultery and shed blood, because they are adulterous and blood is on their hands.

46 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47 The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses.

48 “So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49 You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.”
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Basically, Oholah (Samaria) and Oholibah Jerusalem. Oholah are amoral boomer / Gen X Y & Z racists / libertarians / conservatives who followed Trump for political gain, money grifting, etc. Oholibiah are the Dominionist Christians who have installed & supported him for the goal of gaining political dominion over the country & in their hopes, the world. Trust me, the latter would let Trump fuck their wives / mothers / daughters in a heartbeat if they thought it would give them more power to hurt POC / Poors / Foreigners & roll back to a genteel Antebellum world / Gilded Age world where the the few control the many.

And I'm too far tired after the literal worst day of my life repeating itself for the 3rd motherfucking time, to get any deeper into the OT tonight, let alone what the Son of God & his merry band of misfits had to say in the NT about this.

More later, but fuck, I'm going to need two nooses to unfuck this shit...

soccernutter · Mar 25, 2020

JohnR said: ↑

The stock market rallied big today on the hopes of a stimulus bill and half believing the Trump bullshit. The bill will be passed, but I fear disappointment when investors digest it won't remotely be close to "Easter and everything is open."
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I saw that today. I'm mostly out except for a couple of stocks (Moderna, Blue Apron, Snap) and I have generally been moving opposite the market. But, today, man that was a day of trading based on hope.

Walia Ibex · Mar 25, 2020

soccernutter said: ↑

His point wasn't that it was possible in New Zealand, it was acting on what is known and what is able. Yes, we are not able to isolate an entire city (Escape from New Your anybody?), but at this stage we can't even think about letting people return to work in any normal manner because we don't have the capacity to test.

Beyond that, what business that caters to the working class/poor would willingly open. I think of Chipolte a couple of years ago when they had an issue with food poisoning. It took them a year or more to get back to normal around the country. No image some restaurant opens and it turns out one of the people who worked there got infected. Now the restaurant shuts down, all the employees have to isolate and hopefully get tested, and all the people who were customers have to isolate and get tested. And by the time the directive goes out, people will have interacted with others and likely spread the disease. This is the measles outbreak at Disney, only nobody has a vaccine.

Because of all that, Congress needs to pass a bill to support everybody. Nobody should have their electricity discoed because of non-payment. No rent or mortgage should be collected nor charged, and no evictions or foreclosures should occur due to non-payment. Car payment of all kinds need to be suspended and no repos. Penalty free access to IRAs, 401k, 403b, etc need to approved. Checks should be cut to everybody, regardless of employment status, to help pay for food, gas, etc. That should be a 60 day bill, and renewed and automatically renewed unless there is a vote to stop it.

That is a start.
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Thank you! Finally somebody answered and addressed the issues I was talking about. I wish the politicans in Washington had the same actions and steps you said...

TheJoeGreene · Mar 25, 2020

soccernutter said: ↑

I saw that today. I'm mostly out except for a couple of stocks (Moderna, Blue Apron, Snap) and I have generally been moving opposite the market. But, today, man that was a day of trading based on hope.
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I'm the opposite. I usually dollar cost average the four best index funds our 403b has available with a 60/40 split, but I'm pouring money into those at the moment. Sure, stocks are taking a hit, but long term treasury bonds are absolutely killing it and other than a drop last week the us bond index fund has been really good. The stock market is on sale and I'm buying.

soccernutter · Mar 25, 2020

Naughtius Maximus said: ↑

Having said that, if we can be certain that people can't get the disease if they've already had it for a period, (say, a year for instance), then maybe that means more people can be back in the workforce even without a vaccine.
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I recall a story very early, before this was at pandemic level, of a woman who got reinfected.

Additionally, this virus is mutating really, really fast, so it really does seem like somebody would be able to get reinfected with no or minimized symptoms.

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Mardi Gras was the perfect storm. Much the same as PA’s bond raising parade of 1918.
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I think there are going to be more and more stories of events like Mardi Gras or the Atalanta v. Valencia match where there was mass transmission. Yes, very similar to the Philadelphia parade in 1918.

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

March 25th: After 12 days of isolation - looks like I threaded the eye of the needle ...
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This is an understatement. It's like you knew what was coming, and were racing to stay just ahead of it.

Chris M. said: ↑

What WILL be devastating to our economy is a couple of million deaths and a virus that continues to spread right onto through the summer and into next fall.
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Among those couple of million death with those who were leaders and knew how to lead but died before transition, and those with knowledge, but were unable to pass that knowledge along. It will also be the people who were ready to be leaders or ready to take take the knowledge to the next level. The devastation and longer term recession, will be if we don't lock down.

soccernutter · Mar 25, 2020

superdave said: ↑

I don't think human nature changes all that much, all that quickly. I think it's more the difference between FDR and Trump. Think about the dialogue between Michael J. Fox and Michael Douglas in The American President.

I honestly think that even with the Internet and social media and 500 channels, if someone like FDR (or Obama) were president, the American people would rise to the challenge.
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And then there is the recognition of sacrifice and recognition of honor by Bartlett in 20 Hours in America.

Boandlkramer · Mar 25, 2020

We’ve gone from ~300 to >700 deaths in 3 days and this focking guy posts this [emoji90]

He’s a veteran, BFD. Him being an ex-SEAL doesn’t make him an epidemiologist....

superdave · Mar 25, 2020

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-24/retailers-coronavirus-rents

Certain chains like Subway are going to the owners of their strip malls and saying, we ain't got it, so we ain't paying. They're Trump in the early 90s.

The retailers may invoke force majeur. Another candidate for word of the year. (Yes, I know it's a phrase not a word. At least I didn't say less stores or some other heinous sin.(

Kazuma · Mar 25, 2020

So this is when you know that this is truly serious. For those that don’t know, Waffle House being open is a FEMA indicator. Waffle House has stayed open after some serious storms over the years.

On a related note, Waffle House is an experience unto itself. But I love going there.

Waffle House closes 365 locations across the U.S.https://t.co/7v69sqbNqp
— WAFB (@WAFB) March 24, 2020