Brazilian Politics

Discussion in 'Brazil NSR' started by Century's Best, Jun 14, 2013.

  1. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm talking about the condescending stuff like "even a prostitute can be raped". "just because he didn't see a tablet, doesn't mean there isn't one". "just because she is psychotic , doesn't mean she's lying". Ombak posting a clip of some ESPN Brasil pundit (lol) lecturing people on rape. I mean really? we're all adults here. What's the point of it?
     
  2. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The point about the tablet I corrected something he mis-understood. Cry me a river. Plus, it's a stupid point to make something out of the ex-husband not knowing all her personal possessions.

    Actually it does seem like some people don't understand that "a prostitute can be raped". At least one poster seemed to need some clarification.

    Psychotic ? Well that's your opinion and that's fine. Just saying some people can indeed add "crazy" when they are wronged.

    But whatever ...
     
  3. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA

    I never said the tablet never did not exist. I'm just saying that it was never produced and it seems to me she's creating lie after lie to preserve what to me was a lie to start with.

    By the way, her last lawyer just dropped her because of no proof, and he even said she accused him of having the tablet. Najila is strange. She was unprofessional and got personal with her first lawyer and now with this one. The more she does this the more any veneer of credibility is erased - which means, even if Neymar did rape her, it's simply absolutely horrible optics.

    To many people everywhere, perception is reality, and the perception is that she's lying. Neymar may have been a drunk jerk etc., and he may well deserve something for that. But it's looking bad for her.

    And a lot of people on Brazilian news are saying that she made it worse for women who are real rape victims to come forward. I see that all the time here in the U.S., with these false accusations and thoughtless, robotic, non-playable-character feminist psychos chanting "we believe survivors" and "all women must be believed!"

    Do you think that it'll be any less negative for real rape victims in Brazil?
     
  4. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    "Eu saio de lá com as coisas do meu filho. Chegando ao apartamento, pedi que a minha visita fosse assistida por um funcionário. Eu gravei a minha visita. Entro no apartamento para pegar roupas do meu filho, o computador dele - porque ele gosta de jogar no computador dele - e pegar o tablet dele que eu havia presenteado há um tempo. É um tablet dele, eu nunca vi o tablet da Najila, nem sabia da existência desse tablet e que as possíveis provas estariam lá", completou.

    You corrected nothing because I misunderstood and misread nothing. I said her ex-husband wasn't even aware the tablet existed. I never said the tablet story was a lie, although it's looking likely it is because she claimed her now ex-lawyer has it:

    "A senhora Najila me acusou de ter planejado este arrombamento, essa situação toda. Disse que esse tablet poderia estar comigo, segundo o marcador de localização dela. Eu não preciso comprar ou roubar um tablet, eu tenho os meus dispositivos eletrônicos. Eu nunca tive Iphone, eu sempre tive Android, nunca tive Ipad, me parece que é um Ipad. E o cliente tem uma postura repentina e totalmente contrária à ética, ao bom senso e à verdade nesse caso, a respeito do arrombamento e de esse tablet estar em minha posse." "Eu adoraria ter ele porque ali em tese estará o vídeo que ela alega ter 7 minutos, material esse que até hoje eu não tenho. Seria ótimo. Eu seria o primeiro a ver e a eentregá-lo à polícia. Porque eu acredito que, se tiver alguma coisa relevante ali para reforçar a condição de vítima da senhora Najila, ela deveria usá-lo e não reter a informação."

    Najila also claimed there's a backup of the 7-minute video.

    Na ocasião, o advogado de Estives disse que ouviu do cliente que Najila teria um celular com uma cópia das imagens registradas no quarto em Paris. O objetivo era ter um backup do vídeo. Apesar da existência do suposto backup, nada foi entregue para a Polícia Civil.

    If the video exists, is found, and proves Neymar raped her, then it's a different story. But so far, her credibility is thinning. I cannot help but conclude at this time she concocted all this and now that it's coming apart, she's freaking out (and yet again acting without logic and purely on emotion - accusing her ex-lawyer of having the tablet?)
     
  5. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Perhaps I misunderstood what you said . From the video shown recorded by the ex husband the apartment had already been “broke into “. So obviously the tablet would have been gone . But pretty sure that doesn’t exist .

    This video wouldn’t show any action though . The only thing this video would show is Neymar apologizing for a supposed rape the night before . Or clues to what happened .
     
  6. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Well, the claim there was a break-in has been challenged by forensic evidence, which says only the maid's fingerprints - and Najila's own - were found. The real estate company which owns the building where Najila lives also disputed the claim.

    Finally, even the doorman of the building has filed a claim against Najila.

    Are all these people, including even the police, in Neymar's pocket? She claims the police was "comprada." Perhaps. Perhaps "Neymar Corp." is way too powerful. But at the same time, it's hard for me to believe that all these people were compromised.

    Perception shouldn't always be reality. But it doesn't look good for her and the fact she went to Paris with the explicit goal of having sex all expenses paid grants Najila a moral deficit. She wasn't kidnapped, drugged, and made to have sex against her will.
     
  7. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    why are you guys arguing about something that is pretty straight forward and easy to understand? celito seems like he's roleplaying devils advocate for no reason. I mean ffs , even women know she's bsing...
     
  8. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This Moro leak is so what the country doesn't need now.
     
  9. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    leak schmleak. PT has been involved in corruption scandals since I was a college undergraduate, they really think they can take down the govt based on a technicality. So so desperate and delusional lmao I'm just glad that we have a military president and VP.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Agreed on the corruption part. But any collusion shown here is not gonna look good for Moro. I think the population that supports the current Government won't care. The problem is if it helps out Lula get off legally.
     
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  11. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It won't. If STF even had the audacity to void lava jato based on that, a military coup would be announced 5 minutes later.

     
  12. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  13. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  14. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I thought she said she was uniquely American. What's more American than competition ? :ROFLMAO:

    It's pretty stupid. I like the quote that says "they wouldn't do this if it were the men's final" ... well you can't play CA, Gold Cup and WC at the same time because technically it's some of the same teams playing.
     
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  15. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Globo has fired Mauro Naves. He was involved in Najila's extortion attempt against Neymar a month ago.
     
  16. Emperor Adriano

    Emperor Adriano Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Utica NY (the refugee city)
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    macron was talking today like he wanted to invade amazonia, convenient talk with a new recession coming this year. The media has everyone stirred up and now all the footballers are complaining , even people like dybala who can't even show up to training on time. I'm not saying anyone will take Brazil's land but after this post brezit deal and the new deal with the eu things are looking up and brazil should be out competing euro nations at this point. Convenient that all this happens now. This better not affect my brazilian stocks which have been killing it since bolsonaro came into power. Do any of you guys use tesouro direto or ibovespa?
     
  17. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    lol. With the west being swept by nationalism, and leaders in US, UK and Italy who have isolationalist mentality and Merkel retiring, whos is left to run the empire, some banker stooge from France who doesn't have the guts to come clean about his sexuality (and a beard wife who's is decades his senior). He won't last long, Marine Le Pen will win the next electoral cycle.
     
  18. Toguchi

    Toguchi Member

    Atlético Mineiro
    Brazil
    Dec 1, 2019
    Belo Horizonte
  19. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm sitting and watching a lifetime of hard work go out the window.
    I am slowly loosing everything I worked so hard all of my life for, and in just 3 weeks.
    I hope everybody is safe.
    GOD BE WITH US.
     
  20. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Boy I was wrong. :laugh:

    The armed forces have been outmaneuvered by the band of thieves for the entire duration of Bolsonaro's admin.
     
  21. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    The Brazilian press lies about President Bolsonaro no less than the U.S. press lied about President Trump. It's sickening and disgusting to see the left's power in Brazil.
     
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  22. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    And the Supreme Court is silencing all of the dissenting internet media, either ordering channels to be demonetized, shut down and even going as far as requesting that Allan Dos Santos to be extradited from the United States for fake news, a crime that doesn’t exist in either country. SC justice Barroso had a meeting with Telegram and ordered them to “moderate” during this years election cycle. Safe to say the already done more censorship then the military regime from 1964.
     
  23. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Yes.

    The media lies so much it's revolting.

    The Supreme Court decreed President Bolsonaro was free to disburse federal funds to state governments, but once the latter had the money, it was hands-off for the federal government. Ironic, for Brazil lacks the federal vs. state tension that has always existed in the U.S., but in this case, the Supreme Court decreed that things be done the way they are in America.

    If state governments didn't use federal aid properly, why is that the President's fault?

    The media, both in Brazil and abroad, is portraying President Bolsonaro as some kind of irresponsible fool who is responsible for Brazil's Covid-19 deaths. Those of us who live in the U.S. and who followed current events in 2020 find this narrative to be all too familiar in its shameless mendacity.

    As a fully bilingual person who reads U.S. and Brazil news daily, 7 days a week, in both English and in Portuguese (and have been doing so for DECADES), I understand that a lot of Brazilians will be easily swayed. Many of them lack the ability to read in any other language besides Portuguese (Spanish is easy but they don't bother, and I don't blame them), and contacts of mine in Brazil who are aware of what's happening and who speak other languages have told me that alternative news sources, blogs by highly intelligent thinkers, and such which one can find abundantly in the U.S. Internet are essentially non-existent within the Brazilian Internet.

    Furthermore, if so very many Americans were so thoroughly conned in 2020 and have been conned since, it's no surprise Brazilians would be conned.

    The U.S. media bombarded the population with apocalyptic news over Covid-19; death tally after death tally. We were told "two weeks to flatten the curve;" Fauci lied to Congress saying Covid-19 was 10 times worse than the flu, mere weeks after an article he co-authored and which was printed in the February 26, 2020 edition of The New England Journal of Medicine said Covid-19's infection fatality rate was likely to be extremely low.

    We were told here in the U.S. to mask up, and that vaccines would be safe and effective, and that life would come back to normal.

    Now it has come out - the vaccines don't prevent transmission, they don't prevent disease, they don't prevent death; masks don't work; lockdowns, as per Johns Hopkins, had a nil positive effect in limiting transmissions. And the very CEO of Pfizer said the vaccine provides little help if any.

    England, Denmark, Sweden, Finland are eliminating or have eliminated restrictions.

    Yet if so many Americans are unaware, how many more Brazilians won't know?

    It's disgusting how people on the left abused the suffering of others and lied through their teeth for political gain while doing so in the name of giving a damn about people.
     
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  24. samuel_clemens

    Dec 20, 2005
    Los Angeles CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Bolsonaro's situation in Brazil is nearly identical to Trump's first term in the US. The one difference that Lula might be a though sell now after the corruption scheme has been exposed and he was sentenced and jailed. Although people on the fence may still go with him o the basis of "rouba mas faz". The same mentality that got Paulo Maulf multiple wins in Sao Paulo. Even still I can't see him winning unless they rig the election. If Lula wasn't such a greedy low-IQ egomaniac he would step down and put support behind someone like Ciro Gomes who is also far-left but without the negative baggage that all of the Worker's Party members have these days. I think that would've been a wrap for Bolsonaro and the right wing back home.
     
  25. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Some facts:

    - Mutations, specially Omicron, decreased vaccine efficacy with regards to infection and contagiousness. Perhaps it was always a losing battle to keep mutations from occurring, but that doesn't mean the vaccine isn't efficient or doesn't work. Vaccines are still highly efficient at preventing serious illnesses and deaths.
    - There have been 900k+ deaths due to COVID complications in the US. I don't see how you don't consider that much worse than the flu that averaged I think 50k a year. 900k is with some shutdown policies initially in place and vaccines in the 2nd year. Well, at least part of the population. These are not deaths with COVID as we've had even more excess deaths in these 2 years. No, these are not suicides.
    - Cloth masks don't work. But N95 do. It's what I personally always believed. Everything however is stated in helping to prevent and is not absolute guaranteed to work. You seem to always speak in absolutes. I don't know why.
    - That John Hopkins study is just an analysis done by a couple of economists. Lockdowns helped with preventing initial infections from spreading wildly. That's not even debatable, that's scientific. The end result can be analyzed any number of ways from an economy impact point of view. From a deaths point of view, I say that study is full of shit.
    - You took the Pfizer quote out of context and that's not what he meant.
    - Trump said it would be gone by April. I don't know why you don't give him shit for lying about that and other things while making him to be a victim. The guy is on audio saying he was downplaying the seriousness of the virus to the public.

    We can debate about if vaccine mandates are right or not and if young/healthy people and kids actually need to be vaccinated. But the points above about mortality and the vaccine are facts that are hard to be refuted.
     

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