2019-2020 UEFA Referee Discussion [Rs]

Who would have been given the foul? They both came in hard

 

Refereeing highlights from CL games this week:

Paris Saint-Germain - Borussia Dortmund, Anthony Taylor (Stuart Attwell)

RB Leipzig - Tottenham Hotspur, Carlos del Cerro Grande (Juan Martínez Munuera)

Valencia - Atalanta, Ovidiu Alin Haţegan (Paweł Gil)

Unfortunately we didn't cut Makkelie's game. Dutchman showed a very good performance in Liverpool. While RAP asks for a YC in all mobbing scenes, the way Makkelie solved the three mobbings in the 1H was simply immense. He won the game there. After that it was a football focused game, very good even nearly faultless foul detection, a bit too lenient disciplinary control but no bigger problems. 8,6 level performance.

 

All UCL and EL games next week postponed.

 

EURO 2020 has been postponed to summer 2021.

 

All these sports leagues NBA, MLB, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, CL, etc. are delusional and in denial about finishing their seasons or some cases even starting.

It's not going to happen. Cut your losses and just come to the inevitable and cancel everything.

Their goal should be to start the 2020-2021 seasons on time and without delay. Trying to finish these current seasons will jeopardize the quality and physical health of your athletes for the long term and short term. Are you just going to restart the final stretch of your seasons just cold turkey without any practice matches? Play a Champions League knockout stage second leg match (for the round of the 16) as your first game back?

Playing a Champions League Final in Turkey in June? Playing La Liga matches in June in Seville or Napoli? These European soccer players are not used to that kind of heat.

These athletes could be a month or two without any training, physical activity and games and will essentially need a proper preseason to get back into game shape and readiness. The quality of play will suffer and what happens if Ronaldo or Messi could hurt in the final stages of these lost seasons and not be ready to play for the 2020-2021 season?

Instead of cutting off your leg or arm to save the body, they are jeopardizing the long term health of their competitions and athletes to save a dead leg or dead arm.

Insane.

 

The NBA is so greedy and desperate to finish their season there is wild talk and speculation that they will play games in team practice facilities with just TV production crew and playing Final matches in August or late July.

Farcical.

 

Having been in the television business for my entire career, @MassachusettsRef, you are wildly overstating how much TV revenue is currently being displaced. And, it might not be the leagues losing out on the revenue, but the Television entities having to contractually pay even though there are no games. Depends how the deals were negotiated. Since, we are at the end of a season with more than 70% of the schedules played, and depending on the timing of payments, the leagues might be fine. And, the TV guys probably have insurance. I know my company had insurance when there was a work stoppage that interrupted games some years ago. Our contract called for our payments to continue, although our policies mitigated some of that loss. For example, I’m pretty confident that most of the payments for Euro 2020 have already been made, and they are just held over until next summer.

Individual clubs, however, will all lose match day revenue which as some stories have noted are quite large. THAT will be the biggest issue. Those clubs outside the Super Groups will suffer immensely.

Also, sometimes for financial reasons (currency values, interest rates, etc) TV deals could be front loaded or backloaded.. Down payments may have been bigger in the first year of the deal, or they may have been lighter then, and now backloaded. It’s not a simple thing just to say, this stoppage will cost billions. It might end up not costing that much, actually.

 

Yes, but somehow the STRONGER will survive. It’s the lesser clubs (and leagues) that will suffer.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-eu...pa-league-rescheduling-could-prove-impossible

This article pretty much sums way better than I can up why trying to get these CL games in is a pipe dream.

The logistical hurdles alone of coming to a compromise of when and where and how to play the games makes it almost impossible to resume the season.

This is all under the pretense that the outbreak will start to recede within the next month when no evidence is showing other wise.

The best, most practical/cleanest, and really, in my opinion, fairest, and the one that has zero chance of happening due to greed and legal factors is just declare all these seasons null and void and reuse the same teams from the start of the season in the international competitions and no relegation and promotion.

That means no CL or Europa League Qualifiers. Just reuse the same teams in the group stage for both competitions and redo the draw. It's the solution that, to me, is the fairest.

Essentially restart the 2019-2020 European season.

I understand there is billions at stake for every industry around the world. I have a lot of concern and sympathy for the clubs below the first division in all these leagues. They need gate revenue and fans to survive. All these clubs have roughly between 10-12 domestic league matches remaining with about 5-7 domestic league home matches remaining.

However, if you're a first team club in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and you shutter because you can't survive without 6 home games then that is on you. I get if this happened in the November or January.

 

An answer in a comment section from a journalist puts some figures to what @RedStar91 is talking about. A club like ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool generates match day revenue close to 3 million pounds, while lesser clubs will be closer to a million pounds. The 15 million figure for United is what they would spend on a third choice ‘keeper these days.

The promotion/relegation argument within the leagues is probably slightly more important than CL qualification, and surely way more important than EL qualification.

 

It is just a personal opinion, of course, and carries no more weight than anyone else's, but I just don't see how the argument to declare the "current season" null and void and essentially start the new Season (2020-2021) with the same teams in each Division, European competition etc as we started 2019-2020, is just not going to happen.

Taking aside the fact that sides will be denied hard-earned Championships - with Liverpool being the most obvious example - the reality is that Professional Soccer is a business, as much as we may wish it wasn't, and we would be deluding ourselves if we did not accept that to deny clubs promotions that they were in line for, would open us up to all sorts of legal challenges.

While the US is a more litigious society than any in Europe, the reality is that in that scenario, even in Europe clubs would raise all sorts of legal challenges if they were denied the right to fight for promotion, or to gain entry into Champions League or whatever due to "wiping out" two-thirds of a season. The likes of Leeds United and West Brom have spent incredible sums of money to try and get back to the top flight this season, and having almost achieved it, they will not simply give that up to make a nice clean start of a new season on schedule.

So, for me at least, I think however long this takes, and no matter what it does to next season, the current one will have to be completed. That, itself, will raise a bunch of legal issues around player contracts, transfers etc, but these are far lesser issues, that would affect clubs more evenly, than would be the case if you wiped out a season.

The 2019-2020 season has to be completed, however long it takes. It may well then require a late, or even abbreviated 2020-2021 season (possibly even only playing each other one time), but at least the "rules of competition" would be established before a ball was kicked and the playing field would be level for all. Wiping out the current season would certainly not achieve that.

 

Given the fact virologists and pandemic experts are telling this is the first wave of the corona virus impact and the second wave comes in the autumn/winter it's a bit naive to think about starting a new competition season. Furthermore the experts think this shit will be back next year. So the most sensible thing is to ride out this current season and see how things are next year. Only idiots start a new season, if possible at all depending on the virus status, with a great chance to end up in the same mess with the big difference you now know what can happen.

 

I wonder if league by laws have some contingencies buried in the footnotes about situations comparable to this current dilemma.

There are Disaster Draft rules in place among the major sports in the US, related to killed or disabled members of teams which activate depending on numbers. Certain commissioners have the power to terminate a particular team’s season if necessary.

Not sure how that relates to current situations, but FA’s and other organizations (including the premier league) may have carte blanche on how to handle this without the ability of the member clubs to do much about it.

i quickly looked over the Premier League by laws and there is nothing in the 300 pages aboit a stoppage. Just individual cancellations.

 

Unai Emery has not forgotten Deniz Aytekin.

"Unai Emery still hasn't gotten over Paris Saint-Germain's collapse against Barcelona at the Camp Nou in the last 16 of the Champions League in 2017.

The now unemployed Spaniard believes that the French side would have progressed had VAR been in use, whilst also adding that he and his players had a battle against the referee as well as against the Catalans.

"We had two games in the 6-1 against Barcelona," Emery told Pablo Parra for Marcador.

"One against Barcelona and the other against [Deniz] Aytekin.

"With VAR we definitely would have come through that tie.""

 

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1720886866/kuipers-weet-nog-niet-of-ik-door-kan-mag-en-wil

Björn Kuipers says that by the autumn he will have made a decision whether he wants to, and can, attend the arranged EURO next year. Kuipers will be 48 by next summer, and was strongly considering retiring after the last WC where he handled four games and was fourth official in the Final, but UEFA persuaded him to carry on for the following EURO.

EURO 2020 was supposed to be a swan song for quite a few top European referees, and it will be interesting to see whether decide to attend EURO 2021 or they retire before it (if it goes ahead even, in that slot).

 

This may depend on whether certain countries are looking for their new head of referees

 

Amazingly, Frappart might be the only referee to do a European final this season.

 

I couldn't find a Bundesliga thread so I'll post it here.

Refereeing Highlights

https://ok.ru/video/1411549301283

Borussia Mönchengladbach - Borussia Dortmund
Sascha Stegemann - Mike Pickel, Frederick Assmuth - Robert Hartmann
(Felix Zwayer, Marco Achmüller)