Thursday 12 March 2020

USA - March, 2020- flu deaths of 16 000; coronavirus deaths- 23 (98% being seniors with compromised health)

Canada- 117 infections of the corona--1 reported death of a senior with compromised health

China epicenter where it all started- Wuhan- city nearing 18 Mill- less than 1% got infected and the virus is basically down to zero new infections in the city

The USA agency estimates there have been at least 29 million flu illnesses, 280,000 hospitalizations and 16,000 deaths from flu so far this season.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-season-what-to-know-this-year#1-2

we humans have now joined the lemmings in irrational behavior

 

Well, our irrational behavior matched that of the lemmings a long time ago. Many a "Dear Leader", from relatively minor local boys such as Jim Jones & Dave Koresh & Louis Farrakhan & Bill Ayers all the way over to the historically world class big bad boys such as Mao Tse Tung & Genghis Khan & Mr. Downfall & Uncle Joe, can enthusiastically testify to this.

 

And yet, it doesn't stop Merkel from pulling numbers out of her ass... 60-70% of German population will get infected.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/angela-merkel-most-people-will-get-the-coronavirus.html

 

Flu: 16.000 Deaths / 29.000.000 Infections = 0.06%
Corona: 4.754 / 130.166 = 3.65%

CoronaVirus is far more deadlier

 

You are comparing estimated infections(flu) to tested cv infections.
They say it's more likely the actual cv infections may be 10x more the tested number.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-05/flu-killed-more-people-coronavirus-covid-19

 

See your post as the best example of irrational behavior

Italy has had 1000 people die in 11 days. Even the country best handling it, South Korea, has a mortality rate twice that of the flu. And that's with them flattening the curve to the point that their medical services aren't overwhelmed. We're already getting warnings here in Colorado not to go to the mountains if we're in a risk group because the high country hospitals don't have enough capacity to handle the outbreak.

You are an idiot and your post is irresponsible. The mods should really consider a ban should you continue to post such things.

 

That would still make COVID-19 six times as deadly as the flu.

 

It's just a numbers game right now. Who knows, perhaps the infected number is 50x-100x of that confirmed.
With an estimated 32M people in the US alone infected with the flu this season, and with the fear-mongering going on right now about CV, should we be led to believe that ONLY 300K world-wide are infected with CV?

The reality is, the flu has killed about 20,000 people in the US.
Coronavirus is not even close to that by a mile.

But the good news: no new infections reported from ground zero in China. It has peaked.
Implying that it will peak here in about 1-2 weeks.

 

How the hell do you make that jump? China has been dealing with this for close to 3 months at this point.

 

And how many people died there compared to their seasonal flu breakout this season?

 

Its crap, like all chain letters and such

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taiwan-experts-self-check/

 

A coronavirus chain letter? The fact that exists, and the fact I know what a chain letter actually is, makes me feel like total boomer...and I was born in the 80's.

 

Be careful, or the next "Ok, Boomer" could see you as collateral damage....

 

It's only Day 1 into The MLS Suspension Era, and already I'm sick of this hanging around with absolutely no soccer to be seen as far as the horizon... Geesh, it's like we're back in 1989.

 

Guys! But the flu has killed more!

Ok, by the most conservative estimates Covid-19 is still more deadly.

Reports are it's more contagious.

Its just not as wide spread yet because it's only been infecting humans for a short time.

If we don't slow the spread, our health care systems are going to get over run and those who need treatment for Covid-19 and any other ailments will have issues getting treatment.

So you have to slow and mitigate the spread.

Me, a youngish male, will likely be fine. But my parents in their 70s, specifically my mom who is on Chemo the rest of her life and as a result has a weakened immune system, are in danger.

I am not ready for that day to come.

 

Yes, the Wuhan Coronovirus is more deadly, at least for that vulnerable class known as "the old or the infirm". There is no reliable evidence yet that it is more contagious. The official data says it is less contagious. After a three month run, the span of time China admits this virus to have been present [for whatever that's worth] the flu typically has infected many tens of millions around the world. The official count for this virus is much less. However, as many have pointed out, there are likely a vast number of people who have been exposed to the virus who have not yet, and may never, appear sufficiently impacted to see registered their case in the medical records. So we are still groping for an understanding of what is the expected ratio of numbers infected to potentially fatal cases. So what do we prefer? Highly contagious with a death rate relatively low, or difficult to transmit but with a more telling death rate? In any case, what we clearly are not facing is a second coming of the Spanish Influenza, that flu was brutally both highly contagious and murderously harsh.

As an aside, in the last three years I've had two uncles and a friend die from the effects of the flu [one from fever, and two from induced pneumonia]. Any disease that can cut so close to home, I have to respect. But I do understand those who wonder why one disease seems to have no significant social impact [not even the flu of a couple of years ago, which killed over 65,000 Americans], and the other causes a reaction resembling the end of days. In the end, this epidemic will run its course and the total impact will be assessed and the good folk of John Hopkins and the NIH will literally build careers on writing the postmortems, and that later perspective will judge the actions and reactions of the present. We'll see in time what that is.

 

Just had to get that in there didn't you? SMH

 

The flu has less of a social impact even with tens of thousands of deaths because the critical cases are diffuse and don't overwhelm the health care system. COVID-19 shows up in heavy local outbreaks that can cripple the hospitals even in advanced areas like Lombardy, where they are forced to do triage and leave people to die because there isn't enough ICU capacity.

 

Build a better health care system and it will far less likely be "overrun."

It's not matter of if, but when, the next major earthquake and/or tsunami strikes California -- or Cascadia -- with "heavy local outbreaks" of required hospitalization.

This episode reveals how woefully unprepared we are for a real disaster.

 

oh come on Don...., it is impossible to have a bed for even 20% of a population on a given time.. it is not an optimal suggestion

 

Fine, but that's a long-term infrastructure solution, not a "how do we get through the next month" solution.

 

Assuming we actually address the long-term infrastructure solution, this episode may be seen in retrospect as a blessing in disguise. There are worse crises on the horizon. Not if. When.

 

Yellowstone has a major eruption around every 700 thousand years. Last major eruption? Around 700 thousand years ago. We could have our human-induced global warming interrupted by a new ice age. The two thirds of us in North America that manage to survive the eruption and ensuing famine, that is. Have a nice day.

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one