Feilhaber

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by SamsArmySam, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This midfield generation should have been benny's not mikey's :(

    i guess there is a good ole boy network to allow that to happen
     
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  2. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Nagbe was bad the entire game. He literally fell down twice under little pressure in the attacking third and killed the movement. He didn't hold possession, didn't break up the play. Why was he on the field?
     
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  3. Ruben Rivas

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    Madrid
    United States
    Apr 1, 2017
    Miami
    He gave Benny 10 minutes, Bruce is a terrible coach just like Klisnmann
     
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  4. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    The other problem is that with Nagbe and Arriola last night, there was no defensive help for the fullbacks. The decisive T&T attacks before the match opened up in the 2nd half came down Nagbe and Villafana's side of the field. You can't expect a fullback to defend 1-v-1 for the entire game and come out unscathed unless he is one the best in the world, but a fullback is going to defend 1-v-1 if the US is only throwing out a combined total of 1 DM and box-to-box midfielder and the wingers don't defend.
     
  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    JK and Arena foolishly ignored Feilhaber. A steep price was paid for personality issues.
     
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  6. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
  7. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That first sentence says it all. The skill remains a long time, but the ability to get cover ground and beat kids to the ball fades all too soon.
     
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  8. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1633 50/50 Ball, Mar 11, 2020
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    That’s why I laugh at the people who don’t value athletic ability. All the know how and skill won’t work unless you have the minimum necessary speed and agility.

    Benny had a good run and should have been a bigger part of the USMNT after his SKC rebirth.
     
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  9. GiallorossiYank

    GiallorossiYank Member+

    Jan 20, 2011
    NJ/Roma/Napoli
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't do anything with those chances tho, thats the only thing
     
  10. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Fighting with your teammates and getting sent off immediately after getting a 2nd chance by a coach that hates you is technically doing something.
     
  11. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Not a boring player, for sure. Frustrating at times, but damn could he pass the ball...
     
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  12. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Yes, like few who have worn the U.S. jersey. Some long-range beauties too, that could really carve open a defense. For example:

    Argentina (at 2:45)


    Italy (at 0:30)
     
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  13. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't even remember to be honest. My last real memory of him with the USMNT is with BB as coach.
     
  14. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Funny that both lead to PKs by putting the D under pressure with big fast forwards.
     
  15. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Thanks Benny!
     
  16. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I've seen him in USA-Serbia in 2017, Bruce let him play for 20'. He changed the whole game immediately, made everybody on the team better. Didn't play after that AFAIR. And that's in 2017. In 2015 he was the best American player period.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    This was a really frustrating player to be honest. We saw the talent in stretches. But his career in club football was a lot more "what ifs' than actual accomplishment. His European career was very uneven and was mostly a disappointment. And that's part of what kept him out of the USMNT compared to others. In his athletic prime (2010-2011 season), when he was 25, he was playing in the Danish 2nd division. There's always been this weird Bradley versus Feilhaber argument. I don't really know where that comes from. As if they couldn't have been a great partnership in their primes. Very different players. Its sort of an insider versus outsider issue, and there's a portion of USMNT fans that loves to be anti-establishment.

    There's been a long-standing rumor that Benny Feilhaber was a problem-maker in the USMNT locker room as a youngster. There was even a story of him getting into a fist fight with one of the golden children of the USMNT. [No, not Bradley] So there's always been this rumor that there was more to his exclusion from the USMNT than the coach's evaluation of his talent level. He was persona non grata for while in the locker room.
     
  18. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It had to be off field concerns. Vermes got his head and game right for a couple year stretch where he should have been a USMNT regular based on his play.

    I am a forgiving sort, especially because young men really do change their habits sometimes.
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    When he came back to MLS, a bunch of teams passed on him in the allocation order.

    Folks will remember that there were issues in New England with Benny.
    He did OK, but by the end he was basically a squad rotation player. He was sorta persona non grata again. They couldn't wait to get rid of him.

    Whatever Peter Vermes did in SKC to get his head straight...................worked wonders. Turned him into a league-MVP caliber player.
     
  20. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    I remember there being stories about two separate incidents related to Feilhaber:

    1. With Adu at a US or U-23 camp around 2008.
    2. With Beckerman at one of the January camps with Klinsmann.

    Of course, Feilhaber fell out of the picture for awhile in 2008 (coincided with his club troubles), but he returned with a vengeance in 2009 and 2010.
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #1646 Clint Eastwood, Mar 12, 2020
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    There were supposedly those instances and others behind the scenes.
    THe Adu thing happened in 2008, but Feilhaber had his most caps with the USMNT in 2009. That one is talked about a lot, but I don't think it had a long-lasting effect. Mostly because Adu ceased being a USMNT option. Freddy was re-included in the 2011 Gold Cup squad, a team that Benny didn't make. It coincided with his weird tenure with the Revolution. In that 2011 Gold Cup team, Sacha Kljestan (then at Anderlecht, playing in the Champions League) was presumably picked over Benny.

    We had a nice little generation of central midfielders there. That 2008 U23 Olympic team featured Bradley, McCarty, Edu, Holden, Feilhaber, Kljestan, and Szetela (then at Brescia in Italy).

    It was almost as if Nowak couldn't decide between all of our central midfielders in that age group, so just took all of them!!!! Team of central midfielders!
     
  22. olephill2

    olephill2 Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Club:
    Watford FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread deserves more appreciation for Benny Feilhaber's career. In my mind, he was one of the more underrated, and criminally ignored, players in our pool from 2013-2017. Benny truly hit his prime from 2015-2016 and was an elite attacking midfielder in MLS those seasons -- a true #10 for a country that sorely lacked, and needed, one in the aftermath of Landon Donovan's retirement.

    There is an alternate universe in which Benny Feilhaber, Sacha Kljestan and Lee Nguyen (all of whom were elite #10s in MLS in and around the 2014-2017 timeframe) are USMNT regulars and key lynchpins of our attack during the 2018 qualification cycle, a cycle in which we routinely rolled out runner-style #8s ((Michael Bradley, Jermaine Jones, Kellyn Acosta) or metronomes (Darlington Nagbe) in central midfield who weren't elite chance creators. This was also a time in which we struggled for creativity on the wings -- our attacking wing play from 2014-2016 was anemic as we largely relied on Alejandro Bedoya (a hard-working two-way mid who lacked the final ball or goal-scoring instinct), Graham Zusi (a serviceable crosser and two-way player), and Gyasi Zardes (who was a bit miscast as a winger).

    I often wonder how the fate of the USMNT would have been different through the entire 2018 cycle (from our disappointing 2015 Gold Cup through the failed 2018 WCQ campaign) had we infused more creativity in attacking midfield and utilized the in-form, prime-stage chance creators we already had - namely Feilhaber, Kljestan and Nguyen.

    I will also always appreciate Benny Feilhaber for the spark he brought to the USMNT from 2009-2010. He was a catalyst for our cinderella run to the 2009 Confederations Cup final, with a couple key assists and goals created during that magical run, and he was our go-to halftime sub in the 3 of 4 matches at the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

    Benny had some ups and downs at the club level (struggling in 2008 at Derby County + some inconsistency at AGF Arhus and his early MLS days at New England), but he typically always showed up and delivered when given chances with the USMNT under Bob Bradley, and he developed into an elite #10 in the latter stage of his career with Sporting KC. I'll miss watching him play - one of the better final third passers we've ever had in our pool.
     
  23. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Thank you olephill2. I prefer the alternate universe squad for the 2014 cycle too. Beckerman found his way in though just past his prime. We should have made a bigger better deal of Benny, Lee Nguyen, Beckerman, Mastro - and then of course there's the Donovan debacle. What a harsh set-back, what a dark time we suffered after Bob.
     
  24. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Anyway, thank you Benny. You were true quality. A baller. Amazing and fun and you lifted the game when you stepped on the field. You were one of those rare guys (see above) who always looked better when the level was raised. Wish we could have seen more of you for the US, found your ceiling. Hope to see you in the booth and on the sidelines. Best of luck.
     
  25. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    It's a great retirement note. Worth a read. And absolutely love the photo. Thank you, Benny!

    Will your remember your short pass combination play, outstanding vision and through ball passing in the attacking third, aggressiveness going into challenges when needed, the ability to hold possession and get out of trouble, and doing the work defensively. Baller.
     

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