Okie dokie I guess. But if you really feel that was I guess you could add back the 4 seconds you describe for you to blow the whistle and also for the clock to stop. And before we even go down that road yes I know we don’t do this on every time we stop the clock but we do always have the right to do so, we just don’t exercise this. Perhaps we should. Let’s spin it a bit. Say you have the only team in the history of the world that runs away like their hair is on fire when they commit a foul. Leaving no doubt they are giving 10 yards. This process still probably takes 2-3 seconds. They wait until the team kicks the ball but just before that they charge in and block the kick. Probably another 1-2. So now you’re back in the same spot as your scenario. Only now there is absolutely no justification to do anything other than stop the clock with 4 seconds at most. You going to add some back for this. When they did everyone legal up to this point? Lastly, how much time does it take the ball to reach the goal? And how far away are these free kicks that referees are somehow justifying they are goal scoring opportunities but they are going to take a fill 3-4 seconds before the ball even reaches the goal?
The clock stops when you think it stops, not when the clock operator actually stops the clock. Referees in NFHS rules can adjust the clock. I have any done it in the middle of a game.
I may be reading this wrong, but I feel as if a person or two here seem to be taking a rule (that they personally are against) to it's absurd conclusion just to "stick it" to the NFHS for not being like "everyone else" instead of doing what is actually good for the game and those kids who play the game. Even IF there is a rule in the handbook giving the referee a way to remedy a "tactical foul" late in a game by a certain team. I would have no problem stopping the clock in this scenario even without giving the YC for delay (if I hadn't already warned teams prior). Everyone one the field KNOWS why it is happening. It does make a difference if I do it in the 89th minute (WI plays 90) as opposed to in the 12th minute, because a team most likely didn't foul due to the score in the 12th minute. People who can't see that I guess do really understand what is going on in the games they are officiating for the good of the game and not to "show up" a organization. Almost seems like "Gotcha" officiating IMO. But in the end I "will do me and they can do them"
No it’s simply doing what the rules say is correct. Games all have rules sometimes poorly written and bad ones. But everybody has to play by them. So if you arbitrarily decide to give benefit to one team over the other in violation of those rules then you are favoring one team. The clock stoppages mirror the added time situations of IFAB almost exactly. And in IFAB there is no provision to allow a run of the mill free kick just because you feel bad for the team with the kick. It’s that simple. You have to have a justification to allow it which usually isn’t hard to find when the referee is the one in control of the clock. With NFHS that’s unfortunately not the case. With their desire to make the clock and timing impartial, they have caused referees to want to insert some perceived morality into the game to fix what they see as an injustice. When they are just as guilty of penalizing the team that is playing within the rules of competition by knowing a foul will not allow enough time to get the kick done. I don’t think anyone is arguing it’s a bit unscrupulous, but that’s the game everyone agreed to play. Think it should be different fix the timing method.
No, as an official I EVENED out the UNFAIR play by a certain team who fouled with little time on the clock because they were using a time wasting tactic. You are absolving the offending team to punish the offended one??? Again to me it sounds like you are punishing players of the game and the spirit of the game itself, because you feel you should be in control of the clock, when it clearly states in the rules that you actually DO have some control. But you fail to use the items in your toolbox which is your choice. Although I do understand that you did say you would card for DTR and stop it anyway.
Time wasting isn’t illegal. Preventing a restart is. You already have the tool to stop the clock. Show the yellow card and move on. If all the team did was commit a foul with time nearing zero then they have done nothing to deserve additional punishment beyond the free kick. You adding on to it is trying to make it worse than the rules allow. You don’t have some sort of moral high ground here. You’re ignoring the correct way to go about stopping the clock to save yourself grief from having given the card.
Exactly. Not sure why that would be surprising. We can actually have 7th graders play JV in my state.
Yes. Is that truly unusual? We have a lot of kids in our area that play for 6. All while also playing club.
I’m including JV in the number. Since the JV team is part of the high school team. We have restrictions on Varsity as well and soccer would be part of that as a “contact” sport. There’s also an annoying stipulation that if one team even has Junior players on their roster the opponent can’t play any players younger than Freshman at all. Teams sometimes use this to manipulate the games when the know the opponent has a really good 8th grader.
Agreed but this is at least clear. Prior to stipulation that juniors stayed and 8th and 7th had to leave it never said which took priority. This caused some ugly issues at games because the refs weren’t empowered to do anything other than say. “Work it out, it isn’t our decision to make.”
I can see a bigger difference between a 17 yr old jr and a 13 yr old 8th grader than a 18 yr old senior and a 15 yr old, not much though. I would be ticked more about manipulating a JV match to keep an 8th grader off the pitch though. It is JV!!! It should be a friendly. Shouldn't even be keeping score, I never did when I coached them. Coaches that try to out coach the other coach in JV is a pet peeve of mine. They are out there to get minutes, all of them should be getting minutes IMO. I have seen it in basketball WAY to much where kids will get 1 minute or two in the final minutes ONLY if they are either way ahead or way behind. So sad in JV. Sorry **Steps off the soapbox**
If the 8th grader is 13 years old, then they're going to be 14 as a Freshman. The difference in ages doesn't change.
My son was on a very good JV2 team his freshman year of high school. Their last game was against an opponent they had already thrashed, something like 8-0, at least, maybe more. In that game, though, the opponents had brought down from the JV quite a few players, maybe even eight who started and played most of the game, which ended 0-0. Most of the kids who had played the first time didn't get to play at all. The opponents were celebrating like they had won the state championship. Whatever. You did that to try to win a JV2 game? Really??? That's just pathetic. And JV2 games aren't even scheduled until after school starts for the year (so schools can see if they have enough kids to even have a JV2 team), almost always on the basis of "We would like to play on this Wednesday. Who else doesn't already have a game that day?"
We do a JV “Regional” in our area. Every year there is a debate when teams bring down varsity starters or juniors to play. There’s not specific rule against it but every year the tournament just ends up with bad feelings and nasty play.
In NY for 8th graders to play at the high school sports (JV or varsity), they have to take and pass a physical fitness test at the 9th grade level. 9th graders don't have to pass this test; they just have to be in 9th grade. The justification for this is for the 8th graders to be able to prove they are physically mature enough to play hig school sports. When it comes to moving players up and down from varsity to JV, NY has a limit on the number of games that you can play in the regular season for each sport. It is 16 for soccer. You can move a player down to JV, but that means they are going to miss a varsity game somewhere.