2020 MLS Week 2 Referee Discussion

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  1. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Last week was fun. Let’s try it again... copied from the PRO website...

    http://proreferees.com/2020/03/03/2020-mls-assignments-week-2/

    The assignments for Week 2 of the 2020 Major League Soccer season:

    03/07/20

    New England Revolution vs Chicago Fire
    Gillette Stadium (1:30PM ET)
    REF: Fotis Bazakos
    AR1: Peter Balciunas
    AR2: Brian Poeschel
    4TH: Sergii Demianchuk
    VAR: Alan Kelly
    AVAR: Claudiu Badea

    Real Salt Lake vs New York Red Bulls
    Rio Tinto Stadium (2PM ET)
    REF: Rosendo Mendoza
    AR1: Nick Uranga
    AR2: Peter Manikowski
    4TH: Nima Saghafi
    VAR: Younes Marrakchi
    AVAR: Jonathan Johnson

    FC Dallas vs Montreal Impact
    Toyota Stadium (3PM ET)
    REF: Victor Rivas
    AR1: Ian McKay
    AR2: TJ Zablocki
    4TH: Ramy Touchan
    VAR: Sorin Stoica
    AVAR: Craig Lowry

    D.C. United vs Inter Miami
    Audi Field (3:30PM ET)
    REF: Rubiel Vazquez
    AR1: Eduardo Mariscal
    AR2: Jeremy Kieso
    4TH: Matt Franz
    VAR: Geoff Gamble
    AVAR: Jeff Muschik

    Toronto FC vs New York City FC
    BMO Field (5PM ET)
    REF: Ted Unkel
    AR1: Adam Wienckowski
    AR2: Logan Brown
    4TH: Marcos DeOliveira
    VAR: JC Rivero
    AVAR: Benjamin Hall-Volpenhein

    Atlanta United vs FC Cincinnati
    Mercedes-Benz Stadium (7PM ET)
    REF: Robert Sibiga
    AR1: Eric Weisbrod
    AR2: Gjovalin Bori
    4TH: Elvis Osmanovic
    VAR: Edvin Jurisevic
    AVAR: Jozef Batko

    San Jose Earthquakes vs Minnesota United
    Earthquakes Stadium (8PM ET)
    REF: Baldomero Toledo
    AR1: Adam Garner
    AR2: Apolinar Mariscal
    4TH: Luis Guardia
    VAR: Kevin Stott
    AVAR: Fabio Tovar

    Sporting Kansas City vs Houston Dynamo
    Children’s Mercy Park (8:30PM ET)
    REF: Allen Chapman
    AR1: Brian Dunn
    AR2: Jason White
    4TH: Lukasz Szpala
    VAR: Chico Grajeda
    AVAR: Tom Supple

    Colorado Rapids vs Orlando City
    Dick’s Sporting Goods Park (9PM ET)
    REF: Joe Dickerson
    AR1: Eric Boria
    AR2: Kevin Klinger
    4TH: Alejandro Mariscal
    VAR: Jorge Gonzalez
    AVAR: Cory Richardson

    LA Galaxy vs Vancouver Whitecaps FC
    Dignity Health Sports Park (10PM ET)
    REF: Ismail Elfath
    AR1: Kyle Atkins
    AR2: Corey Parker
    4TH: Alex Chilowicz
    VAR: Tim Ford
    AVAR: Cameron Blanchard

    Seattle Sounders vs Columbus Crew
    CenturyLink Field (10PM ET)
    REF: Jair Marrufo
    AR1: Frank Anderson
    AR2: Jeff Hosking
    4TH: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Ricardo Salazar
    AVAR: Joshua Patlak

    03/08/20

    Portland Timbers vs Nashville SC
    Providence Park (6PM ET)
    REF: Armando Villarreal
    AR1: Jose Da Silva
    AR2: Chris Elliott
    4TH: Guido Gonzales Jr
    VAR: Ricardo Salazar
    AVAR: Rene Parra

    Los Angeles FC vs Philadelphia Union
    Banc of California Stadium (9:30PM ET)
    REF: Chris Penso
    AR1: Corey Rockwell
    AR2: Jeremy Hanson
    4TH: Alex Chilowicz
    VAR: Tim Ford
    AVAR: Ian Anderson
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have watched a lot of MLS, and that sure felt like a really, really good opening weekend for the officials. I hope week 2 keeps it going!
     
  3. jdmahoney

    jdmahoney Member

    Feb 28, 2017
    Plymouth, MN
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Looks like PRO is keeping the trio of Elfath-Atkins-Parker together, at least for now. Not sure if that has any significance.
     
  4. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DOGSO-H given just now via VAR to Miami. Took a goal off the board, too.
     
  5. jazehr

    jazehr New Member

    Mar 30, 2007
    How common is it for the 4ths and VAR to work 2 consecutive days? Is that just a logistics thing? It makes sense but just wondering.
     
  6. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Happened quite a bit last year.
     
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  7. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People are already using this red to try to discredit PRO's response to the Willis yellow last week despite the two game situations being quite different. This was an actual DOGSO, for one.
     
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  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that troll I posted here is now tagging me on Twitter on every call this week that somehow proves last week's yellow card in Nashville was wrong. No good deed and all....
     
  9. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    VAR orders a retake of a saved penalty for goal keeper encroachment in Seattle.

    Someone please tell me I'm wrong, but it looks like Marrufo doesn't book the keeper for encroachment. On the box score it says no caution awarded to the keeper..

    That's so typical of Marrufo. He just referees by his own rules.
     
  10. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minute 47 of COL-ORL there was an erroneous offside flag off of a throw in, and unfortunately the referee blew the whistle, costing Orlando an attacking opportunity. He caught the error immediately, but gave the drop ball to Orlando outside the 18 despite the ball having been in play in the penalty area at the inadvertent whistle.
     
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  11. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    pretty unambiguous on video -
     
  12. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I haven’t seen the play. It if the ball was outside the PA when he decided to stop play, there is an argument to support that. (Bolstered by spirit of the game and what soccer expects.)
     
  15. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I'm not disputing the validity of the retake. It's correct.

    I'm wondering if Marrufo gave a caution to the goal keeper which is now MANDATORY in the LOTG.
     
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  16. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was absolutely the right call in the Miami/DC game. I also get why Vazquez missed it, since play was going away from him and he would have had to look through Gressel and Torres to see it.

    Was quite a stretch that Vazquez was involved in, too - the red, giving DC a penalty a couple minutes after, then giving Wil Trapp a caution for a professional foul right after DC converted the penalty that led to the game winner off the free kick. I'm sure it wasn't easy to do all that with Pizarro barking at him, either.
     
  17. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    I didn't mean to imply you were - I just thought it was interesting for folks to see the call.

    And that's correct - no YC was given.
     
  18. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Just got back from the Timbers-Nashville game and I just want to compliment Villareal. I really like the way he calls games, the way he talks to players, the way he's aware of stuff off the ball. I'm still bummed he's not getting more FIFA assignments. However, he needs to be better at managing time wasting - the Timbers were awful with that tonight.
     
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  19. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Really? No caution? Unbelievable!!!! Well for Marrufo it is believable. But just staggering that a World Cup referee would just blatantly ignore the laws of the game.

    Before anyone piles on me. He didn't "forget" or had a brain fart, etc. He knew and he just refused to give the card.
     
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  20. LampLighter

    LampLighter Red Card

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019


    A couple interesting mistakes, including the handling foul that was wrongly called against Columbus, and the offside goal that was allowed for Kansas City.
     
  21. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haven't watched this video yet. Did they pick up on the touch by the defender on the SKC goal? Point of debate was whether that was a deliberate play.
     
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Twitter troll I mistakenly linked in the week 1 thread is now threatening to have @MassachusettsRef and I permabanned from BigSoccer in two hours if I don't answer his questions. So if we disappear today, you know why. :ROFLMAO::D:p
     
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  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My understanding is that PRO does not believe the video shows conclusive evidence of a touch by the defender. I tend to agree. I think you'll hear later this week that this was a missed review and should have been offside/no-goal.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The challenge at 7:11 of Instant Replay is interesting for two reasons. The obvious one is the discussion of red v. yellow (VAR recommended red, Sibiga went yellow after initially having no foul).

    The point missed by Wiebe, however, has to do with the restart. The crew stayed with the throw-in, as the ball had gone out of play and then there was an OFR. But the proper restart is a DFK. This mistake still gets made even by officials that are very accustomed to VAR. It feels like a minor thing, but it's got to get cleaned up because it will feed a myth among players that you can't go back to give the DFK (when, obviously, you can and are supposed to do so).
     
  25. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, bye. :D
     
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