I cannot tell you how many times I have watched 2 jokers in a yellow shirt without a badge do a dual on a USSF sanctioned match. But it will cause an issue in HS.
True confessions time. Many, many years ago, Men's O-30 1st division, I was to be the only AR, for a grade 5 referee, at a time when we only had a handful, literally, of State One's. He asked me to do a dual and, deferring to his bigger badge, I agreed, albeit reluctantly. One of the teams had several referees playing in the game, and things did not go so well. I swore 'never again' and I've kept that oath ever since.
I bet I see it once a year if not once a season in tournaments. I stop it when I can and chew nitwits out afterwards when I can’t. Sometimes it’s a case of young refs when something screwy happens and the 3rd doesn’t show and they take what they think is clever initiative. Sometimes it’s a case of nitwits who just do it while their buddy takes a break. It drives me crazy.
Golf, who do minor rules updates about every 3 years and slightly bigger re-writes every 10 years. This is part of the reason there is "tradition". It don't change much. 2 bodies that work together (R&A and USGA). Would be a good example of how IFAB and FIFA could work together. And then yes....EVERYONE plays by the same rules. Cricket...as per above. WCC is the body and for a complicated game, the rules (Laws) are very consistent around the globe. The USA born and bred sports (baseball, basketball, ice hockey) are the exception I think. Collegiate sports such as Soccer, really should just play to the rules (Laws) as written by the world governing bodies. (excepting for modifications as already allowed within the laws)
Coaching my kids rec team when our local league was really robust, you'd head out to the town nearby who insisted on using their (really really tiny, very awful) pitch for half their local teams' matches and there were NEVER three referees. It was ALWAYS ONLY two kids with dingy yellow T-Shirts on that had "REC" printed on the back, and with ZERO training, no cards or equipment, occasionally I have to give them a whistle to use. And, believe me, they ALWAYS had a brother/sister/cousin on the local squad. God, I wish I had video of them, two half-asleep teenagers in one PA, crapping themselves when the defending team cleared the ball for a change-of-field breakaway. Other than that, it's always been two refs and a club AR at worst. I was tempted, once to do a dual, but then, very quickly, images of me in court, defending myself against a lawsuit for little Timmy's broken toe...
Tell that to some of the states around me. One just put out an official communication stating they endorse it and will use it. Needless to say those of us with any authority in my state are advising to not work these matches and are also trying to get this changed back. Our teams play in those leagues so we have a stake in the game
I have never done a dual in a USSF match. The closest that I've come is when I had only 1 AR. When that happens, I usually tell them that whenever they raise their flag, I'm blowing my whistle.
Which is correct. Club linesman only call the ball out, not even direction. Problem is we get some cross pollination of referees from other governing bodies and I suspect they either ignore that 2 whistle is forbidden or just don’t know. And then it spreads.
Last year, I heard two young teenage refs saying that an AR didn't show up for a game and so they used the "two-man system like high school." Word got to our local USSF board so at the next meeting, it was explained what to do if only two referees showed up.
You’re lucky to have a board that interceded or a community that would run that up the chain. Most of the time for us, it’s moved into the realm of rumor before anyone in a place of authority hears of it. The issue now is my neighboring state that has set it up as an official system of control. Despite all evidence to the contrary.
Fight it...put up the good fight. Every year for the past 10 years I get asked to referee high school. Every year I say the same thing. "Not while you use Duals". I can learn to get over the clock thing and the insistence on re-writing the "rules"....but duals? Nope, that's my "in principle" line in the sand.
We are. It’s above my pay grade but my understanding is there is a quiet war going on with the heads of the two SRCs over the issue. We’ll see how it comes out in the end. All I can do for now is to tell new refs to NEVER. accept those games under any circumstances.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. IFAB and FIFA do work together, in fact FIFA forms 50% of the voting strength of the IFAB. Or did you mean IFAB and NFHS?
IFAB Law 9 makes it clear that as soon as the ball touches the referee (in one of the specified scenarios) it is out of play. So it can only be the team that touches the ball before it hits you. The place is:
Yes, it does. The actual wording of the rule is: (Emphasis added). This makes it clear that it refers to what the keeper is doing before the ball is kicked.
Thanks for picking that up... not exactly a good English on my part. I meant: 2 bodies that work together (R&A and USGA). is a good example of how IFAB and FIFA can work together. But..R&A together with the USGA ensure, insist and dictate that EVERYONE plays by the same rules. (Differing rules of competition excepted) Whereas IFAB and FIFA do not. In my opinion, which is fairly worthless in the scheme of things, NFHS should not be allowed to re-write Laws into Rules and change what they change. The question was originally raised as to whether IFAB should be so dictatorial (or try to be) and it didn't happen in other sports. I say it does (Golf and Cricket) and it works quite well.
Basketball has different rules at different levels (high school, college, NBA, international) and nobody seems to have a problem with it. Same with football (high school, college, NFL, XFL). So what is the problem with NFHS having some rule differences for soccer as compared to FIFA?
I think that the problems is when the laws/rules have major differences. No one cares that NFHS limits substitution opportunities to TI, GK, CK, etc. while FIFA/IFAB allow subs on any stoppage with referee permission. However, when things are radically different, it can cause problems with the players who don't know that there are different rules for different forms of soccer. My only problem is that I have to remember which version of soccer I'm doing so I don't do the wrong thing!
Allowed by whom? Neither FIFA nor IFAB have control over NFHS or NCAA any more than they have over kids playing a pick up game on the empty lot.
While that is true, it is also true that USGA or R&A have no control over Main Street Golf Club, but all the golfers play by the same rules. Maybe it's control or image or simple respect...I don't know, and I actually don't care beyond a bit of banter among referee brethren. Perhaps NFHS should say to themselves "Well here is a game the world likes, and it has a set of Rules...let's go play". But no...they WANT to change things. There is actually no NEED to change things.
There are a number of things in the NFHS rules that would be in the rules of competition for IFAB. It's just a fact that NFHS and NCAA, as institutions, don't care much what IFAB/FIFA does. Many coaches and officials want at least more rather than less similarity between the rules, even while ignoring some things in IFAB like VAR. NFHS and NCAA consider these to be high school or college sports, and what amateurs/youth/professionals use does not necessarily have to be the same. And let's remember that the IFAB Laws did not come down from Mt. Sinai on marble tablets. They change too. And there are a lot of leagues/tournaments at various levels that modify the Laws because they think the Laws don't really reflect how they want to play. E.g. buildout lines. No slide tackling rules. and, apparently, affiliated games using duals in some places. Is IFAB going to tell USSF that they can't be members of FIFA anymore because some rec league in Vermont is doing duals? A while back, there was one state where the President of the state's adult association seemed to believe that people could be denied the chance to play soccer if their league/team/players were not USSF affiliated. Actually would go around to fields where unaffiliated teams were playing and try to order them not stop playing. You can imagine how many people stopped playing......
the crux of what? Unfortunately, you have no experience refereeing the HS game. And, there are plenty of us on here who switch back and forth with ease and so do THOUSANDS of players. it’s not that tedious, and it has no impact on the Game itself.