2019-20 Roster Movement Thread

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  1. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
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  2. BenDover

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    Aug 4, 2010
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  3. Inca Roads

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    Being in the middle of a long term injury will do that to you?
     
  4. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

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    He’s still at least a month out from returning from the ankle surgery he had in October.
     
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  5. mschofield

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    At what point can we count him as injured reserve?
     
  6. Buzz Killington

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    When we figure he’s going to miss at least 6 games.
     
  7. BenDover

    BenDover BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 4, 2010
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    I was reading the blue testament account of the training in Scottsdale. The error they stated is that Eric Dick was not there in training. Not true. He played the entire first 30 minute period, but was the keeper for the Phoenix side while Melia was in goal for SKC. Zendejas did the same thing for the Phoenix group last year.
     
  8. Buzz Killington

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  9. lukeD

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  10. kcscsupporter

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    on top of his last name
     
  11. mschofield

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    May 16, 2000
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    Question on Kinda's status. Doyle in his position battles piece talks about the SKC mids, and notes: "The major addition is Israeli playmaker Gadi Kinda, a 25-year-old who arrived on loan from one of the bigger clubs in the Israeli league and has mostly played as a No. 10. It is a loan – Sporting don't seem to have gone all-in on this move like they did for Pulido and Puncec..."
    I know it is technically a loan, but I thought we'd figured out that it's kinda *heheheh" a loan only technically, and that the Israeli press was reporting that the loan tag was a bookeeping measure, with the byout clause already having been paid. But I also always figure the MLS writers, who do work for MLS, should have some insight into this sort of detail and the not all in comment makes me wonder.
    Do we know what the situation is?
    As for the piece itself, if you don't follow SKC it is a bit insightful. For those who do follow the club, it's mostly rehash, though the thoughts on what happened to Ilie are good..
     
  12. Buzz Killington

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    It wasn’t Israeli media, it was a guy at Kinda’s former club who tweeted it (then deleted it). But Doyle may only be able to talk about the ‘announced’ standing of the deal.
     
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  13. mschofield

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    thanks, I grabbed the quote off bluetestament after you reminded me of the nature of the thing. It was a tweet from the his former manager at Jerusalem, someone pretty much in the know "On loan / purchase: This is a purely technical matter. Kansas cannot pay all the money in Mecca in one stroke because they have a restriction on purchases in one season. They will transfer the money now at the expense of next season and from a contractual point of view the purchase will only be made next season.”
    So it sounds as if Doyle is simply wrong or as you note, restricted. If this is the case, then does it mean PV has been given an annual war chest of a set amount? Given SKC revenue it woudln't be suprising to hear that is the case, and $10m a year would be reasonable.
     
  14. BenDover

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  15. Inca Roads

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    Nov 22, 2012
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    I'm so on the fence about this one. Good pickup, great skills, loan is nice... but he hasn't played in a year and a half. That's a big gap.

    I'd feel better if I knew we pipped Nashville to him and not that they passed on him.
     
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  16. Blando13

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    without knowing the terms of the loan (how much we're paying and how long it is) it seems to be low risk ... makes more sense if we're buying out Fontas for sure though. If not, would rather have seen a younger option come in. Maybe when they announce that U-22 initiative we can find some young South American CB (better than our last one - Amor).
     
  17. mschofield

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    From what we can see, a year ago he didn't play because he was injured pretty much all season, while this year, he's just not making the 18. I mean, the stat sheets make it sound as if he was healthy. I'm pretty sure Nashville was full up on CB options. The Zimmerman addition is pretty huge.
     
  18. Buzz Killington

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    Almost 2 years since he played a 1st team game for West Ham. His last first team game for West Ham was 3/3/18. Since then according to transfermarkt the only 2 games he's played are a U23 game for West Ham and 45 minutes of a New Zealand friendly. Not the kind of playing history that instills confidence.

    Going the injury prone CB route we've hit with Opara (after an extended struggle) and missed on Coelho and Fontas. I like the loan with less risk but I'm not going to blindly trust that this is going to work or get overly excited about this like I've seen some people.
     
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  19. mschofield

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    This could very well be a loan in the traditional sense of a loan, West Ham are getting as much from it as SKC and it was West Ham pushing it, not the borrowing clubs.
    West Ham feel as if they are going down, and they won't have the budget to carry even a fan favorite with no hope of recovery. But MLS can prepare him for life in the Championship, or at least test him to see if he's up to the task physically. Granted, this route would seem to be easier with a current Championship club, but maybe he wanted to see what life in the US was like. In this case, West Ham would be paying most of his salary.
    He's one of those players everyone knows, has seen play a dozen or more times and has read about through the years. As a CB, he's never been front and center, but he is one of those somewhat familar players whose names crowd important stuff out of our brains. If he has any chance to get back to peak form, which he probably doesn't, he's a top four CB in MLS.As he is, I'm not sure he's a top four for SKC.
     
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  20. mschofield

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    I don't know that this is a roster development issue, but it kind of is: Tata suggests to Charlotte that the man to start their program is either Greggg Berhalter or Peter Vermes.
     
  21. lukeD

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  23. mschofield

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    While I do think the MLS site is worthwhile, and quite often very insightful, I'm not sure this guy offers much. His research is often shallow, and his understanding is only okay. He brings a little less to the analysis game than quite a few folks on here. His takes on Pulido are maddening. he's convinced the guy will be a flop, which he may be. But he offers nothing to back it up beyond the hot take. Again, this article is an example of that. he just makes statements, and never shows his work.
     
  24. Inca Roads

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    Agreed. You really have to check the byline on there to see if you're reading something from an actual professional analyst or an awkward hype guy.
     
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  25. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

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    While I agree that Seltzer is mostly a hack, its hard to take an objective view of the roster and argue that SKC have more than two or three "top 5" MLS players at their positions. Lets have a look position by position:

    Keeper - I could make a compelling argument that Melia is a top 5 keeper in MLS. He's certainly better than Hamid and Johnson.
    RB - No way Zusi is top 5. He's a poor 1 v 1 defender. He's lost a step and pace was never his strength.
    LB - Martins - seems like a decent player, but haven't seen enough to say he's better than anyone on Greg's list.
    CB - Even though half our roster is CBs, none are top 5 players in MLS. Besler was in his day, but that day has past. Also...Ike Opara.
    Defensive Mid - Illie is not a top 5 DM. He's slow and can't tackle. Not even close.
    CM (No.8) - Gutierrez is a top 5 MLS midfielder (somewhere) but the uncertainty about where he plays is probably why he is not on Greg's list. As an 8 or 6, he could be top 5. As a 10 he is not. Espinoza, our likely No. 8, is not a top 5 MLS player.
    AM (No.10) - This position and the No.9 are where the big money players are in MLS. Hell, Valeri is No.5 on this list. Gutierrez is a great player but he's not better in the No.10 role than any of the players on Greg's list.
    RW - Russell, our only representative on the list. He deserves to be there.
    LW - A decade long ongoing disaster under PV. Except for the one year that Nemeth didn't suck, this position has been SKC's weak link since Peter took over and SKC were the Wizards. I keep waiting for Peter to figure this one out, but long past thinking he ever will. Salloi, Shelton and Gerso are all below average MLS wings.
    CF - Pulido may be our savior, but he is not clearly better than anyone on Greg's list. Martinez, Ruidiaz, Chicarito, and Altidore are all important parts of their national team. Pulido is not. I could argue against Manotas being included in the top 5, but I could also argue that Kamara and Heber are. We'll see how he does. For now, I say Pulido is No. 5 or just outside the top 5 list.


    Even with SKC glasses on, I can only come up with two Top 5 players at their positoin (Melia and Johnny). I think Gutierrez is an outstanding player and is a "top 5 CM" but he's not at the position that we are going to play him in (No.10). Pulido is right there as well. So, Greg's a hack but he wasn't off by much.
     
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