Hazard Warning Signs - The Chelsea Transfer Thread

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  1. Ninjatend0

    Ninjatend0 Moderator
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    Feb 10, 2007
    Denver, CO
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    we may be looking at the all action two way midfielder that we need being kante's replacement, not jorginho's.
     
  2. Yahtzee

    Yahtzee Member+

    Nov 4, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Kante made over 50 appearances last season.. there has never been an indication that his style of play is unsustainable until.. now?

    Yeah, this season hasn't been a good look but I'm not going to write him off over one tough season with small injuries. That's madness...

    As far as Jorginho goes, he needs replacing regardless of what happens with Kante. He doesn't have the qualities this team needs either offensively or defensively to be a dedicated starter. In pockets, he can be amazing against the right opposition (his performance against Arsenal, for example). Overall, I'm not sold at all. He gets murdered on the counter and might as well not exist when we lose the ball in the attacking third. His biggest claim to fame is his movement of the ball and you have to observe that our transition from defense, to midfield, to attack is wayyy too static when he's the one commanding things, especially against packed defenses.
     
  3. Blueallthru

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    May 15, 2012
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    Prior to playing for Chelsea he's never played even remotely played the number of games he has with us.
     
  4. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
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    still say we should have rested and shut him down over the summer when he got hurt in early May. Not ready to write him off till he gets a good rest, however the problem is with Euro 2020 and us fighting for a CL place when will he ever get that chance

    Can't believe these words are from me, but if Real or PSG or want to offer big or decent money this summer I'd sell and transition us to Connor, RLC and our younger MF's with KOv and Mount as starters and perhaps buy a mid twenties experienced top class box to box physical player
     
  5. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

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    Jul 17, 2004
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  6. Yahtzee

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    Nov 4, 2013
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    He's made minimum 39 appearances a season his entire career. Your "remotely" comment is an odd one.. not sure what it's based on. He's a sturdy fellow.. at least he has been all his life til now. The sample size for calling his play "unsustainable" is limited.

    What I would say is unsustainable is being a starter for your national team who gets called up despite questionable fitness. That is where his situation seems to have become problematic. We've seen in time and time again.
     

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  7. Kazuma

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    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    His style of play isn't sustainable as he gets older, though. He turns 30 next year, and while he hasn't been injured a lot, all it takes is one or two injuries to start becoming problematic.

    I don't think he's done, but I am of the opinion that we need to be concerned.
     
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  8. Blueallthru

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    May 15, 2012
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    It's based on minutes. Not appearances. Add in his international appearances it's even scarier. I'll see if I can find the tweet. Pretty sure it's from Liam Towmey (sp?) From the Athletic.
     
  9. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

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    May 15, 2012
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    For the record, this is me. This is exactly my opinion on this.
     
  10. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

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    May 15, 2012
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    It's Liam Twoney. Also, I can't find the graphic. I erased the 17th from my brain.

    The kicker is, since 2015 his numbers for just PL matches is getting higher and higher and it doesn't include friendlies and internationals. Hell, he logged over 700 minutes in the 2018 WC. As Kazuma said, the guys is a running machine and really hasn't had a break of playing at the absolute highest level since 2014.
     
  11. Yahtzee

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    Nov 4, 2013
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    Got it. On the surface I was like tf? Based on what? Minutes played is definitely a better barometer here.

    Still not going to commit to the idea that he needs to be offloaded.. far from it. Guys a superhuman. I don't think playing the marauding presser that he has been forced into this season and last does his fitness any favors. Think his sustenance would benefit from reverting to a holding role.
     
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  12. JimWharton

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    Feb 25, 2017
    What’s our best case scenario for a starting 11 next year? Is it:

    Kepa
    New LB + Tomori/AC + Rudi + James
    Kante + Ziyech + Kova/RLC
    Sancho + Tammy + Pulisic

    With CHO, Mount, Willian, another striker? Is that enough to make a move up?
     
  13. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
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    Chelsea FC
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    United States
    I doubt we land Sancho. Targets should be a goal scoring winger and a LB tho. I don’t think GK is an issue either but we could be in for a new GK if Frank doesn’t reinstate Kepa.
     
  14. Brock Hannsen

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    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Willian wants a three year deal and we are not going to give him that. A compromise MIGHT be a 2 year deal depending on how the money would be structured.

    Assuming Sancho comes is a big stretch, especially if we don't have CL football. It's time we get familiar with the Tier B winger names out there like Neres, etc.

    Chillwell at the princes being quoted are INSANE.
     
  15. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
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    Willian by all accounts, but the Sun perhaps on behalf on The Board, wants 2 years, we should give it to him

    How many wings reaaaly do so much on both sides and how much to replace that...
     
  16. Ninjatend0

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    Feb 10, 2007
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    well he did ask what our BEST case starting 11 would be...
     
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  17. Rman3349

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    Chelsea
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    Oct 31, 2006
    Boston
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    Chelsea FC
    BOGA!
     
  18. Brock Hannsen

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    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yeah, we should be setting our sights higher.
     
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  19. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
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  20. Rman3349

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    Chelsea
    United States
    Oct 31, 2006
    Boston
    Club:
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    I agree, but I think he's good enough to be considered tier B.

    If we are going to go that route rather than paying up for Sacho, why not use the super cheap buyback we have on Boga instead of paying 40-50 for some other tier B option? I don't want any more Bakayoko-esque purchases
     
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  21. Blueallthru

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    May 15, 2012
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    I look at like this, if it comes down to Zaha at £80m or Boga at £12m, I'm taking Boga every single time. He's been sensational at Sassuolo this season and the tail end of last season. Just because he didn't make it here doesn't mean he isn't good. David Amoyal and Matteo Bonetti rave about him and his performances. Same with a guy like Pasalic. Sure he never played here but he's been instrumental for Atalanta and one of their best players. He'd do well in this side too.
     
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  22. Rman3349

    Rman3349 Member

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    United States
    Oct 31, 2006
    Boston
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Totally agree.

    We are Chelsea, we have the money, we should go for Sancho.

    But if we don't get him, the worst thing we can do (and have done too often in recent years) would be a panic buy for Zaha etc.
     
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  23. StamfordBridgeLions

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    #3273 StamfordBridgeLions, Feb 25, 2020
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    Kepa/Andre Onana

    David Alaba + Tomori/AC + Rudi + James/Dave

    Kante/Jorg + Ziyech/Mount + Kova/RLC

    Sancho/Willian + Tammy/Werner + Pulisic/CHO


    IF not Sancho than Mbappe or Vinicuis Jnr.


    IF not Timo Werner then Icardi. It would be nice to get Haaland.
     
  24. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
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    United States
    Baka wasnt a tier B buy tho. He was a big part of that Monaco side. We just didn’t hit on him and he didn’t continue to get better.

    Drinkwater was more in line with what you’re talking about.
     
  25. Blueallthru

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    Chelsea
    United States
    May 15, 2012
    The Interwebz
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yeah, this. The thing with Baka is he isn't a technical mid, more an athletic beast that was a monster in that Monaco side where they won by countering teams with deadly precision. He also had some pretty good performances for us, but when the side went to shit under Conte in year 2 Baka wasn't good enough to make a difference and his performances were often glaring examples of his limitations.

    He wasn't a bad but, just didn't work out. There were also mids in that team that were better fits (Silva and Fabinho).
     
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